DUST Search - 750k sp cap + stacked boosters becomes NO LIFE + PAY TO WIN

KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:

Porkchop Samitches wrote:

Copy pasting from my buried post

I am honestly blown away by how many people are circle jerking about how this a good thing. I'm not so worried about the raised cap (which would require over 25 hours on average to cap rather than the current 12, great) than I am about the triple stacked boosters

Omegas aren't cheap, and most people can't play very long. Average joe who can't play much more than 12 hours a week and refuses to pay CCP will not make much more sp, probably between 300-400k, while a dude with money who isn't afraid to spend it gets 3 mil a week. This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers. But you are all the latter anyway, you'll just see this post and laugh.

I'm mad because I'm an average joe, I got where I am through the long grind with very few boosters, now I can no longer play as much. Now it takes much longer to cap, and and if you're not paying you're not as versatile as the next guy.

Anyway I said my piece, feel free to slap me to the ground and circle jerk over my limp body, this is blasphemy and Ratatti is god

Behind the slight rant, this:
"This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers."

is quite spot on.

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Porkchop Samitches Ancient Exiles. 17	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:07:00 - [1] - Quote Copy pasting from my buried post I am honestly blown away by how many people are circle jerking about how this a good thing. I'm not so worried about the raised cap (which would require over 25 hours on average to cap rather than the current 12, great) than I am about the triple stacked boosters Omegas aren't cheap, and most people can't play very long. Average joe who can't play much more than 12 hours a week and refuses to pay CCP will not make much more sp, probably between 300-400k, while a dude with money who isn't afraid to spend it gets 3 mil a week. This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers. But you are all the latter anyway, you'll just see this post and laugh. I'm mad because I'm an average joe, I got where I am through the long grind with very few boosters, now I can no longer play as much. Now it takes much longer to cap, and and if you're not paying you're not as versatile as the next guy. Anyway I said my piece, feel free to slap me to the ground and circle jerk over my limp body, this is blasphemy and Ratatti is god
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1452	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:12:00 - [2] - Quote Porkchop Samitches wrote: Copy pasting from my buried post I am honestly blown away by how many people are circle jerking about how this a good thing. I'm not so worried about the raised cap (which would require over 25 hours on average to cap rather than the current 12, great) than I am about the triple stacked boosters Omegas aren't cheap, and most people can't play very long. Average joe who can't play much more than 12 hours a week and refuses to pay CCP will not make much more sp, probably between 300-400k, while a dude with money who isn't afraid to spend it gets 3 mil a week. This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers. But you are all the latter anyway, you'll just see this post and laugh. I'm mad because I'm an average joe, I got where I am through the long grind with very few boosters, now I can no longer play as much. Now it takes much longer to cap, and and if you're not paying you're not as versatile as the next guy. Anyway I said my piece, feel free to slap me to the ground and circle jerk over my limp body, this is blasphemy and Ratatti is god Behind the slight rant, this: "This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers." is quite spot on. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6226	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:14:00 - [3] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Porkchop Samitches wrote: Copy pasting from my buried post I am honestly blown away by how many people are circle jerking about how this a good thing. I'm not so worried about the raised cap (which would require over 25 hours on average to cap rather than the current 12, great) than I am about the triple stacked boosters Omegas aren't cheap, and most people can't play very long. Average joe who can't play much more than 12 hours a week and refuses to pay CCP will not make much more sp, probably between 300-400k, while a dude with money who isn't afraid to spend it gets 3 mil a week. This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers. But you are all the latter anyway, you'll just see this post and laugh. I'm mad because I'm an average joe, I got where I am through the long grind with very few boosters, now I can no longer play as much. Now it takes much longer to cap, and and if you're not paying you're not as versatile as the next guy. Anyway I said my piece, feel free to slap me to the ground and circle jerk over my limp body, this is blasphemy and Ratatti is god Behind the slight rant, this: "This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers." is quite spot on. You was in beta right?. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote By the same logic if I cap out every week and you don't is it play to win?
Protocake JR USA Caucasians 1500	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:17:00 - [5] - Quote The gap is wider than it is tall. I already have max core skills, so the extra SP will only go into different gear. Players who haven't capped their core skills, will now catch up to me even faster, because i've stopped growing.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 199	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:19:00 - [6] - Quote Lol this just shows how bad the don't nerf me bro is look at these guys like I will no longer have a huge advantage lmao. This will make isk the dividing factor so you will still have your huge advantage over new players lol relax scrubs. yay got to use this same post on two threads you whiny scrubs 8D The miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.Wizard Talk
Porkchop Samitches Ancient Exiles. 21	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:31:00 - [7] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: By the same logic if I cap out every week and you don't is it play to win? No, 25 hours a week is not just "playing" that's up to 3-4 hours a day. I never said I was that upset about no lifing, I don't smile at it either. Someone wants to develop an addiction that's their deal. It's mostly the pay to win that increases the appeal of no lifing about 10 fold that has me raising my pitchfork.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10010	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:32:00 - [8] - Quote Not necessarily pay to win if you think about it. Core skills are what we all aim for. Those who max out these skill books are very powerful players assuming they have a shred of decent gun game. If you have maxed cores but suck royally, then you are not that powerful at all. But at the same time, once you max out the core skills and any one specialty you started off with, any extra SP after that becomes less of an upgrade and more of a sidegrade. You then realize you're not getting any better with more SP after that. You're just becoming more flexible. For a long time now I have maxed out all skill books related to -- and complimenting -- my Minmatar Scout. I have recently managed to train up the rest of the racial scouts but I didn't get any better after maxing out my Minscout. I became more flexible, but not better. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13995	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:35:00 - [9] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Lol this just shows how bad the don't nerf me bro is look at these guys like I will no longer have a huge advantage lmao. This will make isk the dividing factor so you will still have your huge advantage over new players lol relax scrubs. yay got to use this same post on two threads you whiny scrubs 8D It's not about advantage now that I realise the issue. Hell I'll beat players down with 2x my SP reasonably regularly..... but a new player can pay to earn my 30,000,000 SP in 2 1/2 months..... I spent 12 months grinding that out. I toughed it out against players with Million more SP than I did (True Adamance was my 5th character by that point). Now they are being given SP by the bucket load....... I'm sure you can see why this is upsetting and why if this happened in EVE there'd be riots in Jita. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1454	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:38:00 - [10] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Behind the slight rant, this: "This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers." is quite spot on. You was in beta right?. Why, yes. How come? People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change

Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10012	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:39:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Lol this just shows how bad the don't nerf me bro is look at these guys like I will no longer have a huge advantage lmao. This will make isk the dividing factor so you will still have your huge advantage over new players lol relax scrubs. yay got to use this same post on two threads you whiny scrubs 8D It's not about advantage now that I realise the issue. Hell I'll beat players down with 2x my SP reasonably regularly..... but a new player can pay to earn my 30,000,000 SP in 2 1/2 months..... I spent 12 months grinding that out. I toughed it out against players with Million more SP than I did (True Adamance was my 5th character by that point). Now they are being given SP by the bucket load....... I'm sure you can see why this is upsetting and why if this happened in EVE there'd be riots in Jita. The thing with Eve Online is that SP is 100% passive as long as you have a skill book training in the queue. You can't earn any extra SP and almost every Capsuleer knows that SP in Eve is never a measure of experience. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Atiim 13301	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:41:00 - [12] - Quote Porkchop Samitches wrote: Copy pasting from my buried [url]https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2429000#post2429000[/url] I am honestly blown away by how many people are circle jerking about how this a good thing. I'm not so worried about the raised cap (which would require over 25 hours on average to cap rather than the current 12, great) than I am about the triple stacked boosters CCP stated that the SP gained per match will be increased and the "Loyalty Ranks" system will increase how much SP you get per match as well. We don't know for sure as we don't have the numbers, but one can assume that with these SP/match increases the TTC (time to cap) will remain the same as it is now. Porkchop Samitches wrote: Omegas aren't cheap, and most people can't play very long. Average joe who can't play much more than 12 hours a week and refuses to pay CCP will not make much more sp, probably between 300-400k, while a dude with money who isn't afraid to spend it gets 3 mil a week. This isn't closing the gap between noobs and vets, it's creating a new one between the casual frugal players and the hardcore no lifers. But you are all the latter anyway, you'll just see this post and laugh. Assuming my first assumption is correct, you'll still make the 750k/week. Though even if you didn't, you'll still benefit in the sense that you'll earn more SP than you did previously. As for earning 3m SP per week, once you finish up your Core Skills and Preferred Suit & Weapon it really doesn't matter how much SP you acquire. it won't help you win a fight against someone, but simply increase the amount of options you have during the fight. For example, let's take Average Joe. Since Joe doesn't purchase AUR for Boosters, he only has access to an Amarr Commando. No-Life Nancy on the other hand, generously spends AUR on SP Boosters so she has access to both an Amarr and a Minmatar Commando. While No-Life Nancy may have more things, Average Joe is still perfectly capable of killing her. In a confrontation, Joe & Nancy's chances of winning rely on variables which aren't affected by their Bank Accounts. It is closing the gap between new & veteran players. Since everyone gets 750k SP a week, the time it takes to invest into Core Skills (the only things that give you a blatant advantage over new players) is being reduced by 410%. --- Not only that, but since more people have Core Skills, they'll be able to put up a better fight, which will eventually lead to more balanced matches, as opposed to a 1-sided stopmfest all the time,. The above will also increase Player Retention, as most people quit b/c they're tired of getting stomped by players who have things such as +50% HP and +15% Damage while they're stuck with a Starter Fit.. Porkchop Samitches wrote: I'm mad because I'm an average joe, I got where I am through the long grind with very few boosters, now I can no longer play as much. Now it takes much longer to cap, and and if you're not paying you're not as versatile as the next guy. Anyway I said my piece, feel free to slap me to the ground and circle jerk over my limp body, this is blasphemy and Ratatti is god You shouldn't be mad, you should be happy. Since you can't play as much as you used to, the increased SP/match will mean that you will be able to earn more SP than before, at an even faster rate. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Porkchop Samitches Ancient Exiles. 21	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:45:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Not necessarily pay to win if you think about it. Core skills are what we all aim for. Those who max out these skill books are very powerful players assuming they have a shred of decent gun game. If you have maxed cores but suck royally, then you are not that powerful at all. But at the same time, once you max out the core skills and any one specialty you started off with, any extra SP after that becomes less of an upgrade and more of a sidegrade. You then realize you're not getting any better with more SP after that. You're just becoming more flexible. For a long time now I have maxed out all skill books related to -- and complimenting -- my Minmatar Scout. I have recently managed to train up the rest of the racial scouts but I didn't get any better after maxing out my Minscout. I became more flexible, but not better. I agree. Core skills are a smart mans sp sink, and I have them maxed already. I am not afraid of other people acquiring them, but I doubt everyone is willing to pay and play THAT much, even then only people who are interested in becoming a jack of all trades. Like I said before, the problem isn't noobs catching up, most of them are not going to invest this much. The problem is that most noobs won't catch up, that top 1% that bullies everyone else is going to become that top 35%, overall pushing out any new players who aren't willing to sell their soul entirely right away, and relatively new players that haven't achieved that level yet and also don't plan on selling their souls. Yeah
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13996	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:48:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: True Adamance wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Lol this just shows how bad the don't nerf me bro is look at these guys like I will no longer have a huge advantage lmao. This will make isk the dividing factor so you will still have your huge advantage over new players lol relax scrubs. yay got to use this same post on two threads you whiny scrubs 8D It's not about advantage now that I realise the issue. Hell I'll beat players down with 2x my SP reasonably regularly..... but a new player can pay to earn my 30,000,000 SP in 2 1/2 months..... I spent 12 months grinding that out. I toughed it out against players with Million more SP than I did (True Adamance was my 5th character by that point). Now they are being given SP by the bucket load....... I'm sure you can see why this is upsetting and why if this happened in EVE there'd be riots in Jita. The thing with Eve Online is that SP is 100% passive as long as you have a skill book training in the queue. You can't earn any extra SP and almost every Capsuleer knows that SP in Eve is never a measure of experience. While in Dust you can effectively now purchase. Don't get me wrong. I don't care about players catching up. I care about players having this "Handed" to them.....difficulty..... the struggle for SP, etc..... that's gone now. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14779	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:52:00 - [15] - Quote CCP has quite clearly thrown their original vision to the wind and it's just about the cash now. There is no other reason to allow stacked boosters or increase the SP cap per week other than to entice sales. This was clearly a marketing decision. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4159	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:03:00 - [16] - Quote You're forgetting that the skills can only get you so far. Once you're in proto, you stop advancing (for now). After that, you start branching out to different playstyles.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10012	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:04:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP has quite clearly thrown their original vision to the wind and it's just about the cash now. There is no other reason to allow stacked boosters or increase the SP cap per week other than to entice sales. This was clearly a marketing decision. I sense it has more to do with the CCP's realization that Dust is never going to have a true secondary market like Eve Online does and it won't be impacting Eve anymore than what it already can. Knowing that, I can see why CCP went this route for Dust. Might as well make it a little more profitable while Project Legion is still in development. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Porkchop Samitches Ancient Exiles. 21	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:04:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: You shouldn't be mad, you should be happy. Since you can't play as much as you used to, the increased SP/match will mean that you will be able to earn more SP than before, at an even faster rate. You completely missed my main point man, this is only 25% about me lol Please read my edit atiim
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1965	Posted - 2014.11.08 10:27:00 - [19] - Quote BUMPED for truth
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Everyone Below Me Is Shite At Dust 374	Posted - 2014.11.08 10:54:00 - [20] - Quote I'm a self confessed no lifer. No girlfriend, part time weekend job, spending hours each day on Dust514, with 9 3 Day Omega Boosters ready to stack as of next week, and I own an all 12 Quafe suits. And you know what, I couldn't be happier. And no, you CANT have my ISK!!!



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