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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:34:00 - [1] - Quote I'm Caldari and would love to play as nothing but my race but some of their bonuses are just flat out useless , the Sentinel and the Logistic to name a few but these are the roles that I play . I can live with the Cal Commando because it's my favorite suit , I can snipe and run rails and swarms on that suit ... yeah it's not like the Min but it still gets the job done and then some . I'm leaning towards going full Amarr and I just wouldn't feel right in doing so but I had fun playing with a Amarr alt that I made a while ago but I'm trying to be loyal and represent my race . I just don't know what to do . If the Cal Sent had a better bonus like laser and projectile shield resistance and the Cal Logi had anything but nanohives ( I don't use them unless I snipe ( Cal Commando ) or swarm , which I use a Min Commando for so that's practically useless to me ) it would work for me but I like the attributes of the Min Logi better . I just get tired of cross specking and having skill points everywhere , I'm trying to build myself and make the most of what I have and get the most out of what I use as well . I might just say " screw it " and just go full Amarr but I know I will feel wrong in doing so . It would be nice if the Caldari had better bonuses , the only ones that are good are the scout ( I don't scout ) and the Commando , every other bonus to the other suits just leave them wanting and underperforming IMO . 1.9 is going to be great but it's just leaving me torn . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:41:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: All that matters when being Amarrian is whether or not you accept the Faith. Do you accept the Faith? I knew that question would come up , that's why it wouldn't feel right . I guess you would label me a heretic . No offense . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: come to the Winmatar side of life our suits are metagame proof IKR . Edit : Don't think that didn't cross my mind , I have Min Logistic , Commando and Assault already . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:49:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Useful Caldari Bonuses: Commando (they all have useful bonuses) Sentinel (Resistance against all shield weapons to your shields) Logistics (dem nanites) Scout (Scan Range is pretty useful) Useless Caldari Bonuses: Assault (Commando Blanket Bonus on weapons that require the Gallente Bonus [Reduction to Kick]) I was wondering because I don't see too many Cal Logi's and how important would nanohives be , just don't see them or the need too much but maybe that's me and how I play . I would rather have a rep tool and needles , instead of laying equipment that would get destroyed from moving from one battle scene to another or just underappreciated . I guess I just don't like that bonus . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.30 23:56:00 - [5] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Amarr is your 'racial ally', so you should be fine there. Just worship the Empress instead of your CEO, lol Otherwise, become a 'true merc' and just mix it all up! A mercs only true loyalty belongs to ISK, which follows the highest bidder. That makes sense but I just get tired of cross specking but I might just play with the races and roles that I feel would complete my game but I would love to go full racial and just represent my race . You do have a point though , if it ain't broke .. don't fix it . Edit : I started out as a Minmatar so I can associate with them more then any other , I just like the business aspect of being Caldari . Those suits while meeting with the board are killer . Just make me look so handsome . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2014.10.31 04:47:00 - [6] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: slaps Shinobi The HELL is the matter with you?! You are Caldari! Act like one! If someone makes a better wine, we drink it! If someone makes a better gun, we shoot it! If someone makes a better dropsuit, we use it! It is okay that we do this because they don't make better soldiers. You should only buy domestic goods if you want to be a true Caldari patriot. Our economy is geared for war. Support Caldari corporations so that we may become stronger as a State and crush those that oppose us. I wish FW was that way , sorry I didn't get back to all of you sooner .. I was playing Dust and watching " The Mighty Jingles " on The World Of Tanks and War Thunder , I just like his perspectives on those games . I really appreciate all of the suggestions and advice that all of you give . Like I said , it's just a hard decision to make and I feel like going the route of multiple suits that perform in a way that highlight my strengths .. so I might just continue to cross speck , as much as I'm going to hate to . I would love to play full racial Caldari but it's just not practical . I like Amarr and Gal Sentinels . I like Min Logi , Commandos and Assaults . I don't scout so that's not a problem but I had fun playing with Amarr Assaults . I might just listen to all of you and just mix it up . Joseph mad me laugh my @$$ off though with his comment . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:55:00 - [7] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: OP what are you smoking and where can I get some? The goddamn calsent is AMAZING. At level 5 it's obnoxiously effective and atands up well in firefights. And you get to murder all the amaarr who are laser happy. What's not to love here? Useless bonuses my ass. Just shield tank the everliving sht out of it. Don't waste fitting space on damage mods. I don't know about that , most of the heavy hitters have their HMG's maxed out and use pro damage mods , it just seems to me that shields are weak .. yes they have that recharge time and all but I get two swiped with NK's and Two shotted with SG's when I use that , I thought that NK ( other then on a Min ) wouldn't be that effective against that suit with plasma resistance and all but I just die too fast in that suit . People just started to pick up the plasma rifle and now I'm starting to see more players use lasers but most use RR's and CR's but maybe after 1.9 that will change but against a Amarr and Gal Sent that suit doesn't stand a chance for the most part . I have to use damage mods and I use chargers as well as reactive plates , it just seem that HMG's knock the shields down fast as well as shotgun blasts and as a heavy , that's what most face . Besides CR's and RR's . You might be able to out DPS most but if you don't last long enough to administer that DPS , what good is it and you can't run for cover because most heavies when they see a Cal sent they charge ahead and if your facing two or three your screwed , in a Gal sent I've faced and beat two sents before and killed up to five in a row before , just don't think that's happening in a Cal sent . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .*
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 09:56:00 - [8] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: True Adamance wrote: All that matters when being Amarrian is whether or not you accept the Faith. Do you accept the Faith? "Faith and Gold!" "For the Empress!" xD lol zelots are soo funny But you gotta love the enthusiasm . I'm all for freeing the downtrodden . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:00:00 - [9] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: implying that a shield resistance to shotguns is not a useful skill implying that caldari sentinels are useless bro... armor based sentinels WISH they had enough SP and patience to do what you are doing. suck it up and adapt. there are plenty of ways to wreck face with Cal Sent. some of the best players in the game use that suit I wanna believe that but most of the sents that I see wreaking use either Amarr or Gal , I use to see Cal's but not too much anymore besides forging , I guess that's " working as intended " . Maybe it's because I didn't have that suit at pro and just adv , that could be the problem .?. or it could be that while using that suit with a HMG , you better have back up ... like two or three heavies with you with a Logi . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:08:00 - [10] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: These decisions matter not anymore. Skill up. If you don't like it, press the respec button. That's what I'm trying to avoid , I think that most who do use that option will use it as such and not like a " bail out " but it's something that's good to have . I just don't believe that you will see too many who use that more then twice and while it's something that nice to know that one can do , it won't be done much by most . Most wanted to have that to fix problems and mistakes , not to keep making mistakes just because you understand that's something that can be done now . Plus with the ISK hit I just can't see too many doing that more then twice but I could be wrong , it's been known to happen . It's kinda funny but with this option I think that most will be more cautious not to keep going back to the respec button . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:10:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: I'm wondering what part of mercenary people still don't get. Faction loyalty means nothing in DUST. That is what EVE is for. Go with the highest bidder, best equipment for you. Faction Loyalty means as much as you yourself value it. IKR , most in Cal FW are part timers and team killers . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:15:00 - [12] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: I'm wondering what part of mercenary people still don't get. Faction loyalty means nothing in DUST. That is what EVE is for. Go with the highest bidder, best equipment for you. Faction Loyalty means as much as you yourself value it. Absolutely. I'm wondering when "play however you want" became "you must play our way of the mercenary. " To the OP, I'm honestly learning to flat out ignore all bonuses. Pick my suit based on loyalty and slot availability. If I use those slots towards something that gets a bonus then it is just that, a bonus. Agreed , that's what really has me torn to be honest . It's kinda hard to ignore those bonuses sometimes because they do have an impact in some form or another . If your forging or swarming , using an HMG and being a force and effective while doing so , picking up a sniper rifle and doing the most damage in the least amount of shots as to not give away your position , laying spawns and having the max effect with them or being a good medic . All the things that I do ( or try to ) so to me it's kinda hard to forget about bonuses sometimes . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2014.10.31 10:21:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Career fatty assessment: Shield -15 to projectiles MATTERS. Assuming equal tier fits, my proto calsent with 3 extenders, 1 energizer and either a rep or reg in the lows runs 50/50 kill rate vs. Hardtank galsent and amsent. Recovery rate is much better and you can re-engage faster from cover. Sentinels are roughly equal if to kit them right and use smart tactics. Use the burst HMG on the minsent. Sustained duration combat with the normal HMG setup is critical for calsent. Damage mods add too little to TTK to be worth the investment. Calsent is easily a solid choice and works well in the same role as other suits. The calsent resist at 5 reduces laserbastards to 108% efficacy from 120 before proficiency is added in. It reduces plasma below 100. Shotguns kill everyone no matter how bricked you are. RE and NK are always OHK on all sentinels. Using a regulator in your low slot means all you need to start punching out about 65-70 shield regen/sec is .65 seconds of not getting shot. See and I never have used a reg on that suit because I like self reps and a little tank but what you say sounds good , if I had that suit at PRO then my opinion of it might just be like yours because I would understand better . I know I love to forge and to me that is the best suit to do it in . Hell I know that you know about that . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1325	Posted - 2014.10.31 16:43:00 - [14] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Heavy damage mods are a waste of fitting on all heavy fits. They do not alter TTK. They give you the one percentage more then advanced do . I see why CCP went the way that they did , it would have made the HMG and the Forge way more powerful then they are now , I would go PRO for that extra one percent . I wouldn't say that there useless ... if I stack two or three I would see a difference . I play Amarr FW for those mods and to me they do help and they don't make the heavy weapons overpowered . If people have those weapons maxed for instance and you go a slap a 7% ( just an example ) mod on them , that would be a little too much coupled with the max from the skill tree and the fitting from the Sentinel role with optimization ... that would kinda be " overkill " ... I like where the weapons balance is now and you must admit , people were stacking damage mods like a crutch but now your more incline to spend the skill points in an attempt to max out that weapon instead of just going for PRO damage mods . I know that people just don't like it but it does help and bring an extra dynamic to the game , also it keeps the prospective weapon from needing a buff / nerf from outside forces throwing off the numbers and giving misleading data making it seems that something is wrong with the weapon from performance numbers , I like the fact that they had the " balls " to do that .... weapons are in a right place now and it's thanks to their courage and foresight and not the willingness to cave in to community pressure . I'm still going to use PRO mods come 1.9 , I don't have any now because I haven't specked into them . To me they are useful for heavy , light and sidearm weapons . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1325	Posted - 2014.10.31 16:52:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: The only problem(s) with the Cal logi are: -slow speed -deployables run out too fast -cpu reduction Maybe if Callogis could slowly regenerate nanohives... Or +1 deployable carried per level class bonus. This would benefit Amarr and Cal logis greatly. I like the Amarr Logi and part of the reason I would speck into them is because I lay spawns and that bonus would help greatly , I can switch suits ( still in a Amarr ) to logi and still keep that spawn bonus ( if that's correct ??? ) so I love that effect . Cal on the other hand , you jump from advance to pro and gain 3 slots ( 2 high and one low ) and to me , that throws the suit off ... couple that with the lame nano bonus and it's unappealing to me , I forgot about the limited CPU which crushes that suit even more . Slayer logi episode just killed that suit and it seemed that CCP was trying to " stay safe " with how they handled the Cal logi but they just crippled that suit IMO . They should know by now that people will complain no matter what and they should have balanced off that suit instead of worrying about the feedback from the community . I rarely see a Cal logi and that's because that suit in other then PRO is worthless and that nano bonus is just " half @$$ed " . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1328	Posted - 2014.11.01 11:47:00 - [16] - Quote Meee One wrote: Actually,imho the nano bonus is fantastic. What's half assed is: -scouts have the same equipment as a Cal logi basic,yet keep all weapons and stats. -cal logis have less equipment for no reason -active hives,like the triage hive,are too easily destroyed and this prevents Cal logis from being desired,because they can't help when it's needed most in battle,like repair tools and scanners can. I can agree with that as well as the fact that their slow ( some cases as slow as a bricked heavy ) as a heavy , they have limited CPU and their loosing a slot at advanced , that and the fact that nano's have massive CPU drainage and there are just too many problems with that suit IMHO . I for one would love to play Cal logi and just might anyway because I just don't see too many of them and that's what I like , so that's attractive to me but that suit just has too many setbacks that more then outweigh the advantages . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1328	Posted - 2014.11.01 11:52:00 - [17] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Im glad you like Amarr stuff but caldari things aren't that bad. Cal scout with good tanking abilities, broken hitbox and decent bonus can be a threat on the field. The Logi can spam hives. Sentinel has a plasma resistance i think and it's a 1v1 heavy king. Commando is good for obvious reasons. Assault is decent Yeah the Commando , Assault and the Scout are the shining stars of that race I do agree . Amarr is like Minmatar to me in the fact that there very precise suits for the roles that they play and are very adaptive as well . You can do a lot with the weapon combinations and attributes of these two races . They are perfect counterweights to each other . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1330	Posted - 2014.11.01 11:59:00 - [18] - Quote It sure seems that way just looking at the numbers , thanks for the advice ... nice coming from someone who knows . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1331	Posted - 2014.11.01 12:10:00 - [19] - Quote Meee One wrote: Most people are simply unwilling to 'escort' logis like they were designed to be. I'm not trying to discredit what you said but this sentence just sums up the Logistic role in a nutshell and is just so true . It is the most underappreciated role by far . Edit : It's part of what makes that role so attractive to me . I can definitely tell that you know what your talking about . Thanks for chiming in . Everyone has given me good advice and have made productive comments and feedback , all of you just don't know how appreciative I am for that , THANK YOU ALL INVOLVED . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .

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