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Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:51:00 - [1] - Quote It is a not uncommon thing for me to be tooling around in a pub match and see a Heavy (Sentinel) stomping around on their own It almost makes me cry. What a WASTE of good killing potential. What a risky and reckless behavior. Why in the world do they not have a Logi Bro? Are they fresh out of the academy and just donGÇÖt know that a Logi can make them soooo much more effective? DonGÇÖt they realize how much ISK they can save just by having someone following them around keeping them alive and occasionally sticking them with a near-painless needle? Do they not even value their KDR? Surely there canGÇÖt be THAT many pariah heavies out there that scare off LogiGÇÖs with inconsiderate and irritating behaviors. So I ask myself GÇ£Self, what are YOU going to do about this shameful situation?GÇ¥ Well, IGÇÖve decided to start a topic here to see if I canGÇÖt help with BOTH of those potentialities (newness and annoying behaviors). After all, helping is what a Logi does best 1)Freshness, ignorance, naivete, newbie-itis GÇ£HEY HEAVY! A DEVOTED LOGI CAN MAKE YOU AWESOME!GÇ¥ Ok, I yelled that so you would hear me over the thrumming of your cool new HMG. The one youGÇÖll have to buy again and again each time you die without a Logi with a good injector needle nearby, which will happen more often when youGÇÖre not near a Logi who is constantly repairing your armor while you kill-crush-destroy those puny little assault suit scrubs. Where do you find a devoted Logi? The best place is a good corp that has a roster full of selfless Logi specialists like Abandoned Privilege (send your app in, attention: Dubya Guy). The rapport you develop with a faithful Logi or two will guarantee you always (day or night) have someone to go into battle with who makes you look like the hero you always wanted to be. ThatGÇÖs what we do best. What do we want in return? Certainly not your kills WeGÇÖll get lots of war points, and will likely come out above you on the battle report, but we canGÇÖt help that. All we ask is that you not be too inconsiderate (see #2). 2)Inconsiderate, oblivious, annoying, irritating behaviors YOU are the hero. We get that. WeGÇÖre cool with that No problem. Lead the squad. Tell your Logi where youGÇÖre going and how you are planning to pulverize those punks over at Alpha. Call for that ammo. Yell GÇ£Cover Me!GÇ¥ while you reload. Curse up a blue streak about bleeping OPGÇÖd Nova Knifers WeGÇÖll be right there with ya, buddy. THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU COMMUNICATE. For all our super powers, we LogiGÇÖs are not mind readers (although Mara Shepard comes pretty close). There are other simple little things you can do to avoid irritating your Logi, like slowing down before turning corners, occasionally stepping into cover when our rep tool canGÇÖt keep up with that full squad youGÇÖre taking on, and making your way back to the nearest uplink and waiting 10 blasted seconds while we respawn after taking a shotgun blast for you (note: to get truly inspired loyalty from your Logi, boldly declare that GÇ£NO ONE shotguns MY logi and gets away with it!GÇ¥). IGÇÖve LogiGÇÖed with some pretty awesome Heavies, both in and out of my corp. IGÇÖll name a few that arenGÇÖt even in Abandoned Privilege just so you see this is not a shameless plug for my corp Some of the best Heavies I have ever LogiGÇÖed for are jonny battles, Spy Davila, and ChaoXsoul Chaos. They each do these things, every battle, and they appreciate a good Logi Bro. As such, when they call, IGÇÖll be there, rep tool and flux grenades at the ready. They're welcome to the kills. There. IGÇÖve done my bit to help the sad state of affairs that is the GÇ£Lone Heavy.GÇ¥ FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 86	Posted - 2014.11.02 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote I'll be your logi baby Let me rep away the pain I will stick by you FOREVVVAAA You can be my HEERROOO... See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
TritusX PH4NT0M5 45	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:31:00 - [3] - Quote Just saying, the amount of heavies compared to the amount of logis in this game is crazy. Everyone flocks to the heavy because they see organized squads of logis and heavies working together to rack up 30+ kills and an orbital. They can't find a logi because they don't know what it does (because no one runs it solo). They think they will be fine without it until they die. When they die, they get angry and try over and over. Every now and then, a logibro enters solo into a match with him, and helps that lone heavy. The lone heavy gets a lot of kills, and starts all over again. Logis make everything better, but there just aren't enough. (unless you get into some corp) If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 6	Posted - 2014.11.04 17:53:00 - [4] - Quote I agree with your perception TritusX, but dedicated Logi's DO exist. Yes, the best way to find them is in a corp, but another way is to look at the results board after a battle and look for someone near the top with few kills but a lot of war points. Add them to your contacts and mail them asking them to run with you sometime. Most Logi's love nothing more than to be of service. They'll likely invite you to their corp's pub channel (ABPV Pub ) where you can find them on a reliable basis. Note: Best days to spot a dedicated Logi per the above method are Wednesdays and Thursdays before they've capped Afterwards, they might just be tooling around feeling bored because their usual Heavy has decided to skill into ADS piloting in her spare time. PS. It's not that hard in a pub match for a single advanced Logi/Heavy pair to get 30+ kills and an orbital. A full squad isn't essential....but it can be fun to occasionally have that feeling of owning the map and not just the point. That's hard to do without a squad. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 46	Posted - 2014.11.04 20:11:00 - [5] - Quote I have a logi alt (this one in fact) and I ran it a lot until I started doing min scout. The thing is, everytime I run logi I run into a squad of stacked heavies and logis on my team If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
danthrax martin Immortal Guides 179	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:42:00 - [6] - Quote I miss my logis... Both are hooked on that other game. The communicated well with each other whilst steering me through my tunnel vision of death. Tabzzz and Doc Lawz...I miss ya guys The trail of bodies is something to remember.. Pro Galmando - Gal Sentinel Suicidal A/V Moron +75 +75 +75 +150!
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:52:00 - [7] - Quote The problem I come across as a Heavy is generally a lack of Logi support, or at least an imbalance of the Heavy to Logi ratio, where the Heavy vastly outweighs the Logi. Purifier. First Class.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 7	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:04:00 - [8] - Quote There is a sense/movement/mentality in some corps that KDR is critically important...regardless of role. Aspiring new Logi's hear and read about it in corp application descriptions and from other players. Then when the Logi goes into a battle and tries to hold their own in a gunfight against assaults and heavies...they start thinking they are on the wrong path. If they DO stay the path and get good Logi skills, they can still feel the peer pressure to run other fits Quote: "Wow! You went 1 and 5 in that battle? You scrub! What kind of weapon are you using? You should skill into ----. Maybe you should try a Heavy suit to get your armor up, or maybe a scout suit so you can move a little quicker." This might explain the perception of there not being enough Logi's. They ARE out there, but their corp or usual squad-buddies push them away from what they were originally built for. Experienced team players and more "seasoned" corps know better. LogiBro's aren't pressured to be slayers or solo-ists. When they log in and throw a "lfs to logi" into the channel, they are snatched up by Heavies looking for that extra edge. If you are looking to rescue a "lost" Logi, be specific in your chat or pub squad requests. "RF4 need a Logi" or "Heavy needs Logi for Dom". Give them a little respect and consideration (per above) and they'll abandon ill-conceived notions of skilling into Nova Knives and cloaking and go back to saving SP for proto nanohives. Other tips to keep your Logi happy: - Call in a LAV or DS when the battle starts, and carry them to strategic sites rather than having them trudge along with you on foot...or worse yet, leaving them behind - If you do something reckless that gets them killed, say you're sorry and you know Logi suits are expensive. Heck, if you are flush with ISK, maybe even offer once "I'll pay for that suit." Likely they won't take you up on it, and you don't want to make it a habit or expectation, but acknowledging THEIR investment is one of the most considerate things you can do. - Occasionally oooh and ahhh over their warpoints at the end of a battle, or at least don't express jealousy. Don't say (or tolerate others saying) things like "That's just because he's a logi". If I'm in a squad and people say things like that, I make my excuses and leave. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Vash Warren Tankers United Covert Intervention 0	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:31:00 - [9] - Quote Yes found myself a corp who will run Logis and back me which is nice. If you ever want to run with a heavy feel free to look me up I love you logis. Heavy's are the the moving walls of infantry that force everything else into retreat.
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 103	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote Dear dedicated Logi's... I think you are all a blessing, and part of the meta-game that sets Dust apart from anything else currently on the market. God Bless you Logi's, each and every one! Everytime time a newberry posts about balance-stomping-matchmaking, a Logi has brought a squad together like nothing else can. KDR is only tracked by some backwater accountant with a pince-nez and a smoking habit. See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361

Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 863	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:45:00 - [11] - Quote I read as far as "OP'd Nova Knifers" then quit. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5079	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:30:00 - [12] - Quote Most Logi can't keep up. (At least with my Kin Cat fits.) Most Logi are shocked when I dive for cover and leave them exposed. (Don't use me for cover!) A Repping Nanohive does not get frustrated and does not yell at you when it dies. (I like that about them.) That being said, a good Logi who can keep up with me, and does not blame me every time they get themselves killed, is a God send. There just aren't very many of them. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5080	Posted - 2014.11.24 19:56:00 - [13] - Quote Dubya Guy wrote: There is a sense/movement/mentality in some corps that KDR is critically important...regardless of role. Aspiring new Logi's hear and read about it in corp application descriptions and from other players. Then when the Logi goes into a battle and tries to hold their own in a gunfight against assaults and heavies...they start thinking they are on the wrong path. If they DO stay the path and get good Logi skills, they can still feel the peer pressure to run other fits Quote: "Wow! You went 1 and 5 in that battle? You scrub! What kind of weapon are you using? You should skill into ----. Maybe you should try a Heavy suit to get your armor up, or maybe a scout suit so you can move a little quicker." This might explain the perception of there not being enough Logi's. They ARE out there, but their corp or usual squad-buddies push them away from what they were originally built for. Maybe the introduction of Bandwidth will give Logi an excuse to stick with the Logi suit. "If you want me to get more kills, you are going to lose some Uplinks.." Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5081	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:02:00 - [14] - Quote Dubya Guy wrote: - If you do something reckless that gets them killed, say you're sorry and you know Logi suits are expensive. Heck, if you are flush with ISK, maybe even offer once "I'll pay for that suit." Likely they won't take you up on it, and you don't want to make it a habit or expectation, but acknowledging THEIR investment is one of the most considerate things you can do. I just tell Logi at the begging of the match that they will be much better off repping some other Sentinel, because trying to keep up with me will just get them killed. If I need reps between fights I will come to them and ask. Best to set the expectations up front. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 41	Posted - 2014.11.25 16:16:00 - [15] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Why I don't go out of my way to run with Logi: Most Logi can't keep up. (At least with my Kin Cat fits.) Most Logi are shocked when I dive for cover and leave them exposed. (Don't use me for cover!) A Repping Nanohive does not get frustrated and does not yell at you when it dies. (I like that about them.) I don't equip more than 1 Plate on a Sentinel Fit. That being said, a good Logi who can keep up with me, and does not blame me every time they get themselves killed, is a God send. There just aren't very many of them. Edit: Also, I have enjoyed squading with Abandoned Privilege and am in their public channel. Of the few good logi I have run with, at least one of them was from Abandoned Privilege. Thanks Fox. I agree that ABPV does have some really good Logis that have taught me many things. Chasing a speed-sentinal like yourself is a fun challenge for a "tank" logi. But a good Logi should never be whiney. If he is, then he is a distraction rather than an enabler. I like that you set expectations up front. That's good, honest communication...a key to squad success. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Miles O'Rourke Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2014.11.26 00:24:00 - [16] - Quote Any good Channels out there for a Logi looking for Heavies or vise versa? I used to be a Squad Lead like you, but then I took a Thale's to the knee.
Vash Warren Tankers United Covert Intervention 5	Posted - 2014.11.26 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Heavy/Logi funroom is a good one. Heavy's are the the moving walls of one man that force everything else into retreat. Show some love for Logi Bros.


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