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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 11:00:00 -
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Wow so laser rifle doesn't even exist to yall
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 11:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:This is a bit of an eye opener and thanks for sharing.
However, it still looks like a crucial element is missing, how rifles are being used in game. In my humble opinion, there is no reason for all ten rifles to be getting equal amounts of kills per spawn.
Do you take into conideration for example usage and design philosophy first and see if the gun is overperforming or tweak the numbers to follow design philosphy afterwards?
Using the Rail Rifle: Design to be a long range in line with caldari lore. Is there data to show that wow, the RR is getting alot of close range kills this is unusual for a longe range weapon? Or rather the RR is getting alot of kills everywhere lets nerf the CQC because its long range weapon?
Before any proposal i'm sure you do need the stats to back you up. I'm curious as too what stats unrelated to kills are taken into consideration, also other factors such as ease of use, fitting costs, market purchases, damage output etc. By this reasoning its easy to see why shotguns remain untouched, a scout might one shot a medium frameor two/ three shot a heavy and get killed right afterwards by another scout, it might look just fine according to these metrics bu IMO unbalanced in terms of gameplay.
It doesn't really matter though, no single rifle should be doing 50% of all Rifle kills. We could also just have nerfed damage until it was not as extremely good at all ranges, hurting the weapons primary function. None of ur chart's. Included data on lr why
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 11:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:laser rife isn't a general use battle rifle
Da fun it isn't it has the same abilities as all the other long range rifle lr performs the same role as rr tar and cr how is it not a rifle it has rifle in its name lol i don't see why ccp doesn't track it the lr is way more deadly than scr
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 11:21:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:laser rife isn't a general use battle rifle
Da fun it isn't it has the same abilities as all the other long range rifle lr performs the same role as rr tar and cr how is it not a rifle it has rifle in its name lol i don't see why ccp doesn't track it the lr is way more deadly than scr sniper rifle has rifle in its name.... is that a general use weapon as well? What defines general use ..how is rr a general use weapon but lr not..they cover the same range profiles and both kill efficiently
The term general use can't refer to popular or sniper would be general use and lr not ..but in raw killing potential the lr equals every other rifle it's range profile equates to the rr ..it's viable in ar ranges but harder to use
I don't see how laser rifle us not a general use rifle
So explain to me how is lr not a general use rifle
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 11:32:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:laser rife isn't a general use battle rifle
Da fun it isn't it has the same abilities as all the other long range rifle lr performs the same role as rr tar and cr how is it not a rifle it has rifle in its name lol i don't see why ccp doesn't track it the lr is way more deadly than scr sniper rifle has rifle in its name.... is that a general use weapon as well? What defines general use ..how is rr a general use weapon but lr not..they cover the same range profiles and both kill efficiently The term general use can't refer to popular or sniper would be general use and lr not ..but in raw killing potential the lr equals every other rifle it's range profile equates to the rr ..it's viable in ar ranges but harder to use I don't see how laser rifle us not a general use rifle So explain to me how is lr not a general use rifle the range profile isnt the same as RR. its optimal range is much higher and deals more damage at this range. its not general use because the weapon only is effective outside of short ranges and only when halfway over heated. meaning you must commit to an engagement and you cant pop in and out of cover like other weapons. general use, describes a weapon that can be used in most situations (cqc, sniping, assault, suppression) without a significant drop in effectiveness. the LR does not meet this requirement. It does not have to be preheated and it works down to 30m ..I've death touched heavies at 10 m It's really ******* hard even by my standards but I can use lr on ever map I have killed with it down to 4 m (bet ur ass that was precooked )
Precooked I'd no different than charging a scr
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 12:00:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:laser rifle is a suppression weapon Laser rifle is a killing rifle
Saying it's not a general rifle because it's unique
It's not suppression it's a killing tool just like every other rifle
Or rather every rifle is suppression lol it takes no lo get to kill with lr than any other gun ..Most often I get more kills than allot of the people I play with running lr..
Nope it's definitely made for the same purpose as rr tar ar arr scr ascr and all the other rifles ..people just trash it ..
There is no reason for it ..lr is a tool for assault not suppression
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 13:49:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:laser rifle is a suppression weapon Laser rifle is a killing rifle Saying it's not a general rifle because it's unique It's not suppression it's a killing tool just like every other rifle There seems to be a massive misunderstanding about what a suppression weapon is. There is no universe where a suppression weapon is not a killing weapon, or ineffective at doing so. The modern machinegun is amazingly tooled and optimized for killing. It is a suppression weapon. Suppression weapons are weapons designed to vomit out a continuous trail of death that presents an enemy with only two options: Hide or Die. Binary choice, no exceptions unless the suppression weapon operator is doing it wrong. Laser rifle outranges most weapons in the game and at long range is amazingly effective at getting across this message. If you don't dive for cover I'm melting your face off faster than the gumby with the assault rifle 20 yards away. Suppression weapons combine two traits: 1: range, because if the enemy is close he can overrun you. keep him at range. 2: Obnoxious killing power if you stand in the way. perhaps a new LR variant that deals better damage without the "warm up" but damage wouldnt scale up as high as a normal LR? edit: assault LR Lol that would be cruel
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:19:00 -
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Gabriella Grey wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Gabriella Grey wrote: There are many factors that govern the assault scrambler rifle such as heat build up, -20% profile and at long ranges its much harder to use. At medium range the assault scrambler rifle relies on trigger discipline to kill targets, and then the scrambler pistol is more suited as a medium range weapon. With minmitar weapons, excluding the explosive weapons, they are probably up next on CCP"s agenda. Assault combat rifle needs drop off in its range, while the Combat Rifle needs to be a weapon that can pose a threat to the non assault rail rifle. For balance the Laser Rifle needs more range and the same for the Tactical Assault Rifle. You just have to understand how all the weapons play out according to how CCP is using the lore they have created for the different races. The Assault Rail Rifle is still a better aim down sights weapon but hip firing is achievable, but the weapon that shines with CQC is the magsec.
What they've been trying to achieve is having variants that mimic the racial base. For instance, the Tac AR mimics the ScR (base tactical). The ARR mimics the AR (base assault). The Breach CR will mimic the RR (base breach). The issue is, the ARR does not properly mimic the AR, and while it's gotten much better than it was with the damage and magazine size buff, is still too similar to the base RR in terms of hipfire kick and range. It should be more like the AR; far less kick, reduced range. In this way, it not only gives people with SP in RR a CQC option, similar to how the Tac AR gives people with SP in ARs a long range option, but it also makes the ARR distinguished from the base RR as the Tac AR is distinguished from the AR. As it stands, both RR and ARR are horrible for CQC, both have nearly identical ranges. This should not be. Imagine the Tac AR had only 3m more range than the base AR. The ARR should not be as good as, say, the ACR or the AR on that 0-Xm CQC engagement range, but neither should it be just as bad as the RR at that same range. Otherwise, what's the point of having it at all? If it functions just as bad in CQC, what does it bring to the table that makes it unique from the RR? ARR should be the Caldari close range rifle, just as the AR is the Gallente close range rifle, just as the AScR is the Amarr close range rifle, just as the ACR is the Minmatar close range rifle. I don't see it working to that extent. The example you used says the (Charge) Scrambler and Tactical Assault rifle are similar, but the only thing they share is semi automatic firing. If anything the Ion Pistol has more in common with the Scrambler rifle than the TAC AR. What Is there in data and non data is each racial variant family of weapons has another weapon that covers the areas that another racial variant does, but the weapons are not at all the exact same. There is no other weapon that operates like the Laser Rifle other than the laser rifle, but it needs long range to balance out the racial weapon variants for Amarr to have a go to long range light assault weapon. We are not asking it to have the exact same range as the Rail rifle, but enough range to where it can cause the rail rifle concern and vice versa. The same goes for the Tactical assault rifle, and the Combat Rifle. I do not know any other simpler way to explain this. If CCP moved away from this and made it how you described it above I doubt there will be any "flavor" to the weapons. CCP is trying to make an enjoyment factor here that will continue to last. LR outranges rr
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:20:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Let me clarify some things about my opinions.
When the RR received the 4x increase to hipfire kick, the ARR also received a 4x increase to hipfire kick. This is what my issue is. If this was an accident I'd like it fixed posthaste. If it was intentional, I'd like to know why so I can understand the reasoning better and can formulate a proper opinion on it. We will look into that post haste The arr kick should be removed looks accidental I'm sure you'll fix it Rattati ..Ps thanks for removing kick from ascr it's beautiful
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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