DUST Search - Racial roles on the battlefield.

TechMechMeds wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

ARF 1049 wrote:

tander09 wrote:

You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT S**T!

GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW!

Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized...

Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second.

I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal.

But **** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care.

lol

Tell me, how many VU members use RRs for CQC in PC?

Answer: None.

The reason this "RR prick" is complaining is because (IMO) Rattati got it wrong by overnefing a feature of the RR that was already weakest (i.e. CQC).

Any anyone who has participated at the higher level of this games, including many of your corpmates (whom I've had the opportunity to play more than a few times -- great games!) can attest to.

And, like you, I use the AR in CQC, so it really doesn't affect me either.

That doesn't mean it doesn't concern me.

I could easily hip fire the RR with great accuracy for high alpha so it definitely was too good. Up until about 30 metres no problem.

I can't play dust until after Xmas now as my pos3 broke so I don't know how badly it got nerfed but it was definitely too good before. I can imagine that the assault RR is pretty ruined if its really as bad as people make out.

Is it really that bad?.

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ARF 1049 Vengeance Unbound 154	Posted - 2014.10.29 06:40:00 - [1] - Quote Let's get some roles on the battlefield down with strengths and weaknesses. Gallente: Gallente specialize in CQC high alpha damage and suppressive fire none of there weapons reach out at range as well as any other races. They breach rooms and push points in short bursts while there powerful repair systems keep there armor topped off. However there short range plasma carbines keep them limited in open terrain engagement but excell at hip fire and maximum damage and suppressive fire per magazine, while maintaining high accuracy and minimum recoil. caldari: are the long range masters with high velocity missiles and magnetically accelerated hypersonic rail rounds. They hold points and keep the enemy at range relying on powerful shielding to duck behind cover, regenerate and continue firing. There weapons dominate open terrain areas digging into hillsides and ditches, with nanohives underfoot. The kick originates from the heavy barrel itself and when not tightly held to the shoulder can become excessive and uncontrollable with extended fire. The weapons kick and vibrating feedback often make it essential to become very well acquainted with the weapons nuances before being able to use it in shorter ranges. minmitar: minmitar use the least advanced weaponry with fragmentation shell launchers and gas operated bulpup submachine gun type rifles. best used in sudden ambushes with the higher ground there slower weapons require predictive thinking to kill targets. There weapons exceed at hit and run with fast reload and there suits augmented for short bursts of quick speed combined with the hybridized shield armor ratio makes them akin to a rattlesnake. Easily heard but fast and instantly lethal, a good clubin' can stop the creatures nonsense with extended fire or being caught off guard. Amarr: made to counter the minmatard aggressive tactics amarr weapons excell in accuracy and hitting targets running in and out of cover. There marksman type scrambler laser weapons are the most common variant of laser seen on the battlefield. With potent 1 hit ability and pinpoint damage there range can rival that of high grade caldari weapons. There weapons suffer on major drawback and that is the excessive heat buildup meaning only 1-2 targets can be engaged before the weapons reaches critical temperatures. In comparison 1/4 a charge from a scrambler rifle can toast bread perfectly, a full charge can turn a minmatar's face inside out. They excell at surrounding there targets and overwhelming them in the all consuming light there weapons create. "Ionized Plasma slugs reaching 3 billion degrees Fahrenheit at hypersonic speeds. Still worse than supersonic metal"
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 131	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:10:00 - [2] - Quote i read the first few sentences the rest was just rambling on about random bullsh!t scout ck.0 here!
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 143	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:54:00 - [3] - Quote You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT S*T! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! "If the gallente brainwash me again, they shall be purged by God himself!"* -Nexle Skimfuse AMARRIAN4LYFE
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6168	Posted - 2014.10.29 08:31:00 - [4] - Quote The newb: Doesn't really know anything and feels compelled to spout Ill informed stuff because stuff and tings a gwarn...............and ting. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13917	Posted - 2014.10.29 09:02:00 - [5] - Quote I genuinely don't mean to sound like an ass when I ask......what made you think that any of that spiel was something new and or original and hadn't be suggested in this very manner countless times in the past 18 months? GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
ARF 1049 Vengeance Unbound 156	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote tander09 wrote: You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT ST! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized... Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second. I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal. But ** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care. sci-fi has numbed The word plasma. It's 1-3 billion*F superheated ionized gas that behaves like a floating liquid.
ARF 1049 Vengeance Unbound 159	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:18:00 - [7] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: The newb: Doesn't really know anything and feels compelled to spout Ill informed stuff because stuff and tings a gwarn...............and ting. Just "spouting" my POV on how the weapons should fall into place. And sorry about not knowing anything. it's not my fault I guess closed beta imprinted my mind on the use of racial weapons... I try to immerse myself in the shallow pool of Eve's story from the dust side. It's not exactly my fault there is no backstory of any sort on the dust side. Even a tid bit of racial backstory, maybe little booklets you could buy off the marketplace for a small fee no read about different races, there tactics, and there weapon damage types, vehicles, maps etc. Once again I am sorry about feeling uninformed by dust's poor presentation of races and weapons. sci-fi has numbed The word plasma. It's 1-3 billion*F superheated ionized gas that behaves like a floating liquid.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 557	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:35:00 - [8] - Quote Here's a racial role: I am Amarr, I worship LAVs. I am Caldari, I buy LAVs. I am Gallente, I hump LAVs. I am Minmatar, I steal LAVs. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 557	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: The newb: Doesn't really know anything and feels compelled to spout Ill informed stuff because stuff and tings a gwarn...............and ting. Just "spouting" my POV on how the weapons should fall into place. And sorry about not knowing anything. it's not my fault I guess closed beta imprinted my mind on the use of racial weapons... I try to immerse myself in the shallow pool of Eve's story from the dust side. It's not exactly my fault there is no backstory of any sort on the dust side. Even a tid bit of racial backstory, maybe little booklets you could buy off the marketplace for a small fee no read about different races, there tactics, and there weapon damage types, vehicles, maps etc. Once again I am sorry about feeling uninformed by dust's poor presentation of races and weapons. All this info is on the EVE site. Talk about exploiting new players. That would really cause a backlash. Now if the booklets came with a suitGÇª THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2242	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:39:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Here's a racial role: I am Amarr, I worship LAVs. I am Caldari, I buy LAVs. I am Gallente, I hump LAVs. I am Minmatar, I steal LAVs. That got a good chuckle. Well done. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1481	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote What I read Gallente: Plays the objective Caldari: Plays ambush Amarr: Is Op but dies randomly Minmatar: drives jihad jeeps. Eve racial roles don't necessarily translate in healthy manners to dust, and even then if you look hard enough in eve you see examples that fly in the face of preconceived notions and roles. Amarr have some of the fastest frigates in new eden (slicer / crusader). Caldari have one of the nastiest brawler BC's (ham drake). Gallente have a really high damage sniping battleship (megathron). Minmatar have some incredibly durable ships (anything that uses ancilliary shield boosters with a boost bonus). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13929	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:48:00 - [12] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: What I read Gallente: Plays the objective Caldari: Plays ambush Amarr: Is Op but dies randomly Minmatar: drives jihad jeeps. Eve racial roles don't necessarily translate in healthy manners to dust, and even then if you look hard enough in eve you see examples that fly in the face of preconceived notions and roles. Amarr have some of the fastest frigates in new eden (slicer / crusader). Caldari have one of the nastiest brawler BC's (ham drake). Gallente have a really high damage sniping battleship (megathron). Minmatar have some incredibly durable ships (anything that uses ancilliary shield boosters with a boost bonus). Cuz **** those Wolf's and Jaguar........ 90% Shield Resistance to EM with Ancillary Shield Boosts means I'm basically unable to break them in a solo fight........... GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 145	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: tander09 wrote: You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT ST! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized... Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second. I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal. But ** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care. Oh...my bad. scratches head nervously sorry? "If the gallente brainwash me again, they shall be purged by God himself!" -Nexle Skimfuse AMARRIAN4LYFE
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6179	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:03:00 - [14] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: The newb: Doesn't really know anything and feels compelled to spout Ill informed stuff because stuff and tings a gwarn...............and ting. Just "spouting" my POV on how the weapons should fall into place. And sorry about not knowing anything. it's not my fault I guess closed beta imprinted my mind on the use of racial weapons... I try to immerse myself in the shallow pool of Eve's story from the dust side. It's not exactly my fault there is no backstory of any sort on the dust side. Even a tid bit of racial backstory, maybe little booklets you could buy off the marketplace for a small fee no read about different races, there tactics, and there weapon damage types, vehicles, maps etc. Once again I am sorry about feeling uninformed by dust's poor presentation of races and weapons. Yeah, you should feel ashamed bro lol. Like, living in exile style. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1901	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:29:00 - [15] - Quote ARF 1049 wrote: tander09 wrote: You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT ST! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized... Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second. I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal. But ** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care. lol Tell me, how many VU members use RRs for CQC in PC? Answer: None. The reason this "RR prick" is complaining is because (IMO) Rattati got it wrong by overnefing a feature of the RR that was already weakest (i.e. CQC). Any anyone who has participated at the highest levels of this game, including many of your corpmates (whom I've had the pleasure to play more than a few times -- great games!) can attest to. And, like you, I use the AR in CQC, so it really doesn't affect me either. That doesn't mean it doesn't concern me, nor does that lead me to making up a long post to justify my support for the recent nerf and labeling all those who disagree as "rail rifle pricks complaining".
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6181	Posted - 2014.10.29 21:34:00 - [16] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: tander09 wrote: You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT ST! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized... Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second. I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal. But ** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care. lol Tell me, how many VU members use RRs for CQC in PC? Answer: None. The reason this "RR prick" is complaining is because (IMO) Rattati got it wrong by overnefing a feature of the RR that was already weakest (i.e. CQC). Any anyone who has participated at the higher level of this games, including many of your corpmates (whom I've had the opportunity to play more than a few times -- great games!) can attest to. And, like you, I use the AR in CQC, so it really doesn't affect me either. That doesn't mean it doesn't concern me. I could easily hip fire the RR with great accuracy for high alpha so it definitely was too good. Up until about 30 metres no problem. I can't play dust until after Xmas now as my pos3 broke so I don't know how badly it got nerfed but it was definitely too good before. I can imagine that the assault RR is pretty ruined if its really as bad as people make out. Is it really that bad?. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1902	Posted - 2014.10.29 22:48:00 - [17] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: ARF 1049 wrote: tander09 wrote: You're good, AT SPOUTING OUT ST! GET THIS CADALRI HERETIC INTO THE MINES! NOW! Well it's pretty easy to tell which races I respect more by which ones names I capitalized... Just because I am caldari by blood does not mean I support them, I would pay 20 bucks to change my profile in a second. I was doing this to counter all the rail rifle pricks complaining. Sure I didn't want to go into detail but in general that is summing up the racial weapon strengths. And matching suit weaknesses. Try to make them understand they aren't always supposed to win in CQC with a rail weapon. But instead of just outlining rail weapons I did this trying to seem equal. But ** it plasma can kick it's as at CQC now so I don't care. lol Tell me, how many VU members use RRs for CQC in PC? Answer: None. The reason this "RR prick" is complaining is because (IMO) Rattati got it wrong by overnefing a feature of the RR that was already weakest (i.e. CQC). Any anyone who has participated at the higher level of this games, including many of your corpmates (whom I've had the opportunity to play more than a few times -- great games!) can attest to. And, like you, I use the AR in CQC, so it really doesn't affect me either. That doesn't mean it doesn't concern me. I could easily hip fire the RR with great accuracy for high alpha so it definitely was too good. Up until about 30 metres no problem. I can't play dust until after Xmas now as my pos3 broke so I don't know how badly it got nerfed but it was definitely too good before. I can imagine that the assault RR is pretty ruined if its really as bad as people make out. Is it really that bad?. Just because you can easily hipfire it from that distance (which, by the way, I don't believe 30m as the dispersion is 4x or 6x the size of the target you're shooting) doesn't mean it's not already the weakest at CQC. Yes, it's really that bad. After 10 shots, I could hardly hit a heavy, much less the much more likely to kill a RR user -- a fast strafing scout or even an assault. Someone in another thread suggested pausing after 10 shots as a possible solution (similar to what I do when ADSing the ARR), but I've not yet had a chance to test it. But the bottom line, for me, is that the 4x increase in hipfire dispersion seems a bit much.... ...but now back to playing.


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