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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 02:17:00 -
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Every game I play be it tank or dropship i am always encountering jihadists. Every. Game. I'm really confused, dropships are so incredibly easy to down now and tanks can be easily destroyed with two people. So why are there even more jihadists? Is av still to hard?
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 02:20:00 -
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I take it as a complement. They can't even kill me with easy mode av so they have to jihad. Speaks volumes to their skill and my own.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 02:25:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Av isn't really that op with a well fit tank in a squad I was in earlier the tank we were assaulting survived 2 swarmers and my REs. If your running a mil tank you might be kind of easy to kill but at least when I am running mine even when I get killed it is because I didn't take cover soon enough.
Not saying its op, I'm just saying its really easy, especially against dropships. If you have a forge and a swarm tanks are cake, I had an IAFG almost solo my hardened 5300 shield gunni yesterday, only reason he didn't was because he missed the kill shot.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 02:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I haven't encountered a JLAV or KDS in the past few months.
What sever do you typically play on?
I think it's on auto but I could be N. America.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 03:07:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:I have recently started testing some aspects of REs, and completely forgot about this application. You might see me later on having a laugh with this 
You and everyone else 
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 03:39:00 -
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So am I just unlucky then? Get matched with all the jihadists? Cause since I've started playing again a few days ago its been every single match.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 04:54:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Every game I play be it tank or dropship i am always encountering jihadists. Every. Game. I'm really confused, dropships are so incredibly easy to down now and tanks can be easily destroyed with two people. So why are there even more jihadists? Is av still to hard? its the butthurt vs effectivness.. jihading an ADS is a massive FU since ads with high sp and skilled pilot can still be an OP dominant force, as can proto fit high sp tanks and since av sucks vs protobear vehicles jihading works the best for TTK
Who let you in here? Look I have maxed python skills and supplementary skills, I have a fully complex fit triple xt python and if a single swarm launcher even at std or adv level starts hitting me I have to leave or loose my ship. If its two swarm launchers I'm dead. They always get the first move as I can never see them. Its really very easy, and requires little in the way of coordination. I find it sad people would rather exploit rather than play the game, especially after all the convincing av guys did to get av to where it is now. You'd think they would use it 
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 22:39:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I take it as a complement. They can't even kill me with easy mode av so they have to jihad. Speaks volumes to their skill and my own. You're getting killed by Jihads, yup it doesn't do your rep very good if you can't blow up a jeep, lol. Would you rather get downed by a tower forger? or have an entertaining battle with some jihad jeeps... I know which I have more fun facing.
Usually a jihad jeep will get me while I'm preoccupied helping my team, covering my hacker as he takes a point, helping infantry to advance, destroying turrets or redline turrets, engaging hostile tanks, you know tank stuff. I built my tank to be a tank, to be able to take a few hits from another tank or hostile av, that's where tactics come into play. Sometimes my gunner will tell me there is a car when we aren't occupied helping the team in which case I find it and kill it, and sometimes it is a jlav.
I'd much rather fight a tower forge as I have options, I can take a few hits before I go down so I can try and find some cover, or my gunner with his forge gun can get out and counter blap him. I enjoy tactics, jlaving is rather boring in that regaurd. I'd much rather be leading an assault with my tank, providing cover for advancing infantry with my tank rather than playing cat and mouse with an lav. That doesn't interest me.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.27 23:16:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Every game I play be it tank or dropship i am always encountering jihadists. Every. Game. I'm really confused, dropships are so incredibly easy to down now and tanks can be easily destroyed with two people. So why are there even more jihadists? Is av still to hard? AV is still too crappy to reliably kill a moderately well driven vehicle. Jihad vehicles are a symptom of ineffective AV. I think its hilarious that people get mad at jihad jeeps when its obvious that the only reason you're upset is that its the only thing that poses any kind of threat. There's one thing that can kill you, so it must be an exploit! "Tanks can be easily destoryed with two people" Tell that to the forgers in PCs who have to deal with 6k hp hardened gunlogis that take 8+ forge shots to down.
Its not the av that's bad, its the player. Av is really good right now, solo you can force vehicles away and if they are "moderately well driven" they leave, because if they stay they die. No jihad vehicles are a symptom of ineffective av players.
If av wasn't a threat to vehicles then why do vehicles run when being hit by av? Were they bored? If I don't leave the second an invisible swarm hits me in my complex fit python I'm a dead man. So av thinks "man I just need to instant kill him, swarms are taking too long" so they call in a dropship and ram me. If he had a buddy with him, even a mlt swarm my dropship is dead, its that easy. If I get rammed I usually send them a message saying thanks for the complement. I had a reply from one guy saying,
"Oh I have a proto minmando, I just didn't want to switch and a suicide dropship let me stay scout" proto vehicles are an afterthought while you can instant kill them for a fraction of the isk.
I think its equally hilarious that av thinks it should always win solo simply because they have av, and that a OHK on a complex fit vehicle is right in their mind.
So your telling me that in PC the side trying to deal with the tank doesn't call out for another swarm/forge to help kill it? Or call in their own tank to kill it? I mean that's one of, if not THE primary role of armor.... I thought PC was about teamwork and organization? Oh well I know its a joke but wow.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.28 02:09:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:
Busy farming infantry with a large blaster you mean? That's the easy (boring) kill for a Jihad...
You actually just said you'd rather, get out of the tank or run vs a tower forger... So you'd rather not tank against them... Perhaps you should try not tanking against Jihads... Or get out and forge them, lol.
The idea with tanking is the same as everything, you have to keep your eyes open. If you're covering a hacker make sure you are still looking at as much of the road as you can...
You're just another "I don't want to have to work to stay alive" tanker... For gods sake you have a guy ready to jump out with a forge gun, which is just full on scrub mode & the reason there should be a delay on getting out of vehicles.
If you knew anything about Jihad jeeps, you'd find just how much of an upper hand the tanker has... But screw it JAST NERF THAT ****!!! right?
There's way more quick thinking and strategy in the Jihad vs tank battle than the rest of the damn game put together, but no one seems to be able to figure it out.
DELBOY bitches about Jihads, but at least he has the balls to fight them and knows how to make it difficult & fun.
Actually the only tank I use is a missile tank because they are so much fun! I would never soil a glorious caldari tank by putting filthy blasters on it. I don't even engage infantry, I leave that to my gunners.
I actually said I prefer to fight a tower forge because I usually have a forge gunner in my tank to help and he's a pretty good shot. When I'm in my tank I stay in my tank, or did you even read my post?
I look out for jlavs as much as I can, but I can't look out for my squad and watch behind me at the same time.
I do work to stay alive, every battle. If there is a good forge gunner on the other team then I have to work pretty hard, a skilled enemy tank? Have to work hard to stay alive. A squad? I have to work very hard.
I don't know why you think teamwork is "full on scrub mode" but okay, it helps a lot when I'm taking on two or more tanks at the same time. Not to mention having a gunner to handle infantry.
I know alot about jlaving, its pretty damn easy. I tried it out when it was made possible and had a lot but thought it was a bug and was going to be patched like the mlt nos in 1.7.
Current jihad tactics,
1. Look on map for target
2. Maneuver behind target
3. Make sure target is on even enough ground
4. Hit nos and ram
That's it. There is more strategy in av than jlaving. Heck there is more strategy in actually using an lav than jlaving. Why don't you come and join me and a dropship squad, no I don't mean we all use dropships, I mean you and three others dropping in on points, securing them and the surrounding area then getting picked up and flown to another one, or reinforcing a point that's being over run, or swapping to av and dropping on a tank. If you really think jlaving is the best dust has to offer in terms of strategic game play you're doing it wrong, horribly wrong.
I fight jlavs, but there seems to be so many when av is in a great place. Its sad when I'm having a very engaging fight against a tank or two and a jlav hits me from behind. Makes vehicle play quite stale and detracts from the strategy.
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Pvt Numnutz
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Posted - 2014.10.28 02:39:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I take it as a complement. They can't even kill me with easy mode av so they have to jihad. Speaks volumes to their skill and my own. What's the difference how it's done as long as it's done? Take your "compliment" and your subsequent respawn.
One is much more fun than the other. I like to have fun.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 02:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
@ Pvt Numnutz
I was not under the impression you tanked?
I always remember you as the Dropship Pilot who I always tried to shoot out of the skies back in FW.
Indeed I do, missile tanks are so much fun, I can't quite remember when I decided when to fully skill into tanks but it was sometime after 1.7.
I run shield missile tanks with rails for my gunner's, lots and lots of fun!
My proto fit I called 'dakka' and when I got those sexy kaalakiota havs I had to put a black missile launcher on it! (Was really bummed it didn't come with a launcher on it as advertised) Thus the kaalaka dakka was born. I tame them 
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