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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.27 17:41:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:A 15% ROF as compared to the prior 50%.
That's 33% of it original. Or, a 67% decrease.
Imagine reducing a Dropsuit Racial bonus by 67& with a nerf. That would seem ridiculous, because of the SP invested.
Imagine a Dropsuit Racial Bonus that gave a 50% increase to DPS. That would seem ridiculous.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.27 17:48:00 -
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Let me ask you this, what is the SP Multiplier for your standard Light Weapon Proficiency? What is the multiplier for the Assault Dropship skill?
Also note that damage increase for proficiency is only against Armor or Shields, RoF is a raw DPS increase, and is not specific to armor or shield damage. That being said, a RoF bonus is worth more than proficiency due to this increased benefit.
I'm not arguing against you (yet maybe), but I don't have the SP multiplier data in front of me, so I'd like to take a look at that and compare your dropship racial bonus vs a Weapon Proficiency bonus.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:01:00 -
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I just checked the proficiency SP costs over on Protofits.
Caldari Assault Dropships V: 2,487,360 SP
[Light Weapon] Proficiency: 1,554,600 SP
SP Difference: 37.5%
Proficiency offers +15% DPS to armor OR shields
Assault Dropships offer +15% DPS to both armor AND shields
I consider that roughly double the benefit for 37.5% more cost. In my eyes it looks like you guys are getting a pretty solid deal. Plus isn't skill stacking still a thing? Light weapons dont receive a DPS bonus for other foot soldiers skills in their area, so that's an added benefit for ADS as well. Sorry but I think your simply off base here, your Cost/Benefit ratio for ADS is simply better than an infantry weapon bonus.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:20:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I just checked the proficiency SP costs over on Protofits.
Caldari Assault Dropships V: 2,487,360 SP
[Light Weapon] Proficiency: 1,554,600 SP
SP Difference: 37.5%
Proficiency offers +15% DPS to armor OR shields
Assault Dropships offer +15% DPS to both armor AND shields
I consider that roughly double the benefit for 37.5% more cost. In my eyes it looks like you guys are getting a pretty solid deal. Plus isn't skill stacking still a thing? Light weapons dont receive a DPS bonus for other foot soldiers skills in their area, so that's an added benefit for ADS as well. Sorry but I think your simply off base here, your Cost/Benefit ratio for ADS is simply better than an infantry weapon bonus. Afraid I'd have to disagree with that. I've done the math on this as well, and the ROF bonus we receive is not worth the SP we put into it, at least not level 5, 4 is barely worth it. The rockets aren't able to pierce an armor tanks rep cycle, even with maxed out CAL ADS. Rattati has said himself that ADS should be a threat to tanks, how are we supposed to be a threat to something that our weapons can't even break the rep cycle of, especially putting into the fact that rockets have a damage profile of -20% shields and +20% armor. But this is clearly a situation where we're probably not going to agree with each other. I still get what you say, I just won't back that.
Well that sounds like its more of an issue with balance between HAV defense and dropship offense. If you want to make an argument about the damage that the small missile turrets do that's fine, but in terms of what the RoF bonus actually does compared to what a proficiency bonus does, it's reasonably in line. I can admit that RoF isn't quite as useful as increase damage since the damage per magazine doesn't increase, but the added benefit of armor and shield damage is substantial enough to merit a slightly higher SP cost than proficiency.
As for damage profiles well...that's just the nature of the beast, and again not a function of the bonus.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.27 18:55:00 -
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Well we'll agree to disagree on that bit, I just wanted to lay out my argument with some numbers but in the end its gonna come down to the qualitative worth of RoF with Armor and Shield damage vs straight up damage vs armor or shields.
As for AV I have not dug into the nitty gritty of lock times vs rate of fire, though I will say that often level 5 of any skill is often dubious in its usefulness, especially compared to its SP cost. In general I consider level 5 something you train when you have nothing better to spend SP On.
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