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Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2913	Posted - 2014.10.26 12:41:00 - [1] - Quote as it is currently, the SP cost being paid for our rof is, from whom i've asked, and my personal opinion, too much. as it is now, our max rof for each ADS are as follows python rof per level= 0.036 python rof= 1.02 our max rof is not enough to break an armor suit/vehicles rep cycle, which being an explosive, i find it a little odd. incubus rof per level= 0.0195 incubus rof= 0.5525 honestly saying, due to this crappy rof alone, i can only count one incubus pilot that has ever given me trouble. take a bow, carbonite. i even asked a lot of experienced pilots their opinion on the rof. every single one said it wasn't worth it period, and others added to that said it wasn't worth the askin SP cost. i even asked a few people in GD (shudders), and an AV user gave a list of skills he believed was worth going level 5 into, rof for either ADS was not there. i would provide a link, but i'm on my ps3. laptop defragging. main issue with us pilots as of now is our rof, the largest skill SP wise,isn't worth it now. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2918	Posted - 2014.10.27 00:03:00 - [2] - Quote shameless bump R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:41:00 - [3] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Lets see how the ROF penalty removal plays out for the Incubus (tomorrow) Why are you entertaining this Rattati .?. it's so obvious that this is because of the ROF change and the unhappy feedback about not having a OP 50% ROF increase , I mean .. are you serious Rattati ??? At some point you people need to put your foot down because the catering to these people will be never ending if you don't and this games parameters need to be defined and every time that someone is unhappy with something and you go changing it will take this or any other game that you invest your time and creativity in, will get skewed from your design . You can't satisfy these people and they will complain about everything that doesn't hand them kills and games on a silver platter . But it's your choice and your the DEV , it just seems like a recipe for doom if you ask me . Oh, I'm going to enjoy this. I've got two questions for you, and they are: 1) where did I say that I was wanting our old 50% percent back? I've made multiple threads saying to the contrary, so go ahead and show me exactly where I said giving us our old 50% is justified? 2) You clearly don't fly. If you did, you'd be right there along with us when delta flushed 2.4 to 4.8 mil of our SP down the drain, heck, maybe more. I'm going to give you a scenario, you have a fresh character with 15 mil sp (about enough to be a decent pilot), no more, no less. You're going to skill into piloting with this guy. Give me a list of skills you'd invest in, then afterwards give me two protofit links, one with the dropsuit you'll be using, and one with your preferred ADS fit. I will then properly poke as many holes as I possibly can in your little flyboy outfit. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Her Chosen wrote: A 15% ROF as compared to the prior 50%. That's 33% of it original. Or, a 67% decrease. Imagine reducing a Dropsuit Racial bonus by 67& with a nerf. That would seem ridiculous, because of the SP invested. Imagine a Dropsuit Racial Bonus that gave a 50% increase to DPS. That would seem ridiculous. Again, I'll ask you the same question I asked shinobi. Where did I say that giving our 50% ROF back was reasonable? R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:46:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about making the bonuses worth the SP? And how would that go about? I like the idea, I'm just not sure that I like the other ideas I've come across, other than a 5% ROF per level. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:55:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Let me ask you this, what is the SP Multiplier for your standard Light Weapon Proficiency? What is the multiplier for the Assault Dropship skill? Also note that damage increase for proficiency is only against Armor or Shields, RoF is a raw DPS increase, and is not specific to armor or shield damage. That being said, a RoF bonus is worth more than proficiency due to this increased benefit. I'm not arguing against you (yet maybe), but I don't have the SP multiplier data in front of me, so I'd like to take a look at that and compare your dropship racial bonus vs a Weapon Proficiency bonus. Light weapon prof is at a 5x multiplier, about 1.5 mil fully into it. Assault dropship skill is at a multiplier of 6x, which equals out to about a little above 1.8 mil maxed. if you meant the racial ADS, the one that controls our ROF, that's an 8x, working out to 2.4 mil each. Honestly speaking, I'd like so see ALL weapons get a 20% nerf (including AV), then get a 2% bonus to raw damage per level on proficiency, but that's just me. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I just checked the proficiency SP costs over on Protofits. Caldari Assault Dropships V: 2,487,360 SP [Light Weapon] Proficiency: 1,554,600 SP SP Difference: 37.5% Proficiency offers +15% DPS to armor OR shields Assault Dropships offer +15% DPS to both armor AND shields I consider that roughly double the benefit for 37.5% more cost. In my eyes it looks like you guys are getting a pretty solid deal. Plus isn't skill stacking still a thing? Light weapons dont receive a DPS bonus for other foot soldiers skills in their area, so that's an added benefit for ADS as well. Sorry but I think your simply off base here, your Cost/Benefit ratio for ADS is simply better than an infantry weapon bonus. Afraid I'd have to disagree with that. I've done the math on this as well, and the ROF bonus we receive is not worth the SP we put into it, at least not level 5, 4 is barely worth it. The rockets aren't able to pierce an armor tanks rep cycle, even with maxed out CAL ADS. Rattati has said himself that ADS should be a threat to tanks, how are we supposed to be a threat to something that our weapons can't even break the rep cycle of, especially putting into the fact that rockets have a damage profile of -20% shields and +20% armor. But this is clearly a situation where we're probably not going to agree with each other. I still get what you say, I just won't back that. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2921	Posted - 2014.10.27 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote Well that seems solid enough. But I'm still either going to shoot for getting at least getting a 5% ROF or reducing the SP cost. AV users and ADS pilots I've talked to have said that it isn't worth it, especially for the asking price. As it is, ADS are the most SP intensive role in this game, and that is because not only does the vehicle bonus need skilling, but the dropsuit you fly inside the cockpit also matters. Next issue is that our ROF when battling AV users, it isn't worth going past level 4. The charge time of an assault forge shot takes 2.25 seconds, with level 4 ROF I can get 2 shots in before the forge releases his payload. level 4 ROF: 1.056 The last level, which should be the most important in this scenario, is nothing more than convenient to me. Swarms maxed out take 1.05 seconds to lock on and about .25? seconds to release payload (accounting for travel time as well) Level 5 ROF is not worth it in this situation, I still get a good shot off before all that, and when he reloads with maxed out reload speed +commando reload (seems to be very popular among AV users) The reload speed is the exact same as the assault forge charge time. Again, I get two shots off with level 4 rof, level 5 is still just convenient. The last skill into it is 1.2 mil sp, my chief concern is that it's worth it. Well, that took too long to type. Sorry for the long response. R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS

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