DUST Search - Why do people hate scouts but not heavies?

Aria Gomes wrote:

Mike Ox Bigger wrote:

Scouts are just OP. That's it in a nut shell. Period. Sorry but my ck0 has almost as much HP as your assault and I can see you coming from a mile a way and what direction you're looking. Be glad I only break it out after I've been shot gunned twice.

Yeah the Gal/Cal/Amarr have potential to tank and still get the jump on people. Which is ass backwards. I'm probably just hating because I'm a Min Scout so tanking isn't even an option. If I shield tank, I ain't seeing sh!t, if I armor tank, I'm slow as hell and all other scouts can see me. If I speed tank(which I regularly do), I'm weak and can't have damps. If I double damp, then I'm "slow".

And running proto Min is very expensive, we're still weak and fall over when coughed on. -_-

Sure Speed Tanking is fun as all hell, but very very expensive. My proto Min cost between 100k to 116k(?), and that's with one complex shield extender, two eWar modules(complex precision), 3 kin kats(complex) and two sidearms (usually SMG/Pistol and Knives)

Scouts should have to sacrifice something, not just one scout.

My Gal Scout has more HP with one complex ferroscale than my Min Scout with one complex shield extender. It just doesn't make sense. Gal with one complex ferroscale is 245 armor, 87 shield. Min with one complex shield is 198 shield, 87 armor.

.....Sorry I ranted.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5535	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:27:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4211	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:31:00 - [2] - Quote Well thank you especially since im Ak.0 scr using scout... anyway it comes from the permascan era merging with this new era of tanking and not being seen that brings the hate since the Ewar scaling is belly up and really needs to be addressed in future hot fixes. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1150	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:33:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. Heavies don't have cloaks, and they don't shotgun you in the back while you're hacking an objective. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's because scouts were so outclassed before with so few people using them that when they got their buff (which was honestly a bit too large) people quickly started hating something they'd almost never been seeing before. The HMG might have been crap for awhile, but the heavies have never necessarily been bad, just their weapons. Oh, but let's not forget the cloaked brick tankers, people really hate those. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5535	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:35:00 - [4] - Quote The biggest issue with the cloaks is their ability to reduce your profile. They're easier to see than a **** stain on white briefs. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4211	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:36:00 - [5] - Quote What's the issue with being shotgun in the back? At least they get close to you if it were me you'd be killed from 30+ meters because I use pistols and rifles. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 107	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:38:00 - [6] - Quote People hate scouts in general because they are hard to kill and not many classes are a match for skilled scouts. Scouts with shotguns are hated by everyone (even scouts without shotguns) because it is a cheap killing method, and unlike knives, has a stupid range. Knives take skill and i am sure you all agree. Just imagine this: everytime you have shot somebody in the back, they have turned around. Shotgun scouts do that but insta-kill them] scout ck.0 here!
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 102	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:57:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. Someone hasn't been paying attention. Easy to dispatch but not easy to predict, see, fight against, etc Plus scouts ruin a majority of aspects in this game, like AV, being a logistics, snipers, pure offense, tanking, exploiting stealth to increase lethality in nearly everything, etc. Their very presence in a any match degrades player's gameplay quality if the reason they're in the match is solely to kill.(ERADICATE THE SCOUT VERMIN SO THE ARYAN RA- err.... SO THE NEW GAMER GENERATION REMAINS PURE cough) Sentinels can be easy to dispatch with damage mods or so, easy to predict, mostly, easy to fight against as long as you see them before they see you. Sentinels are a combination of pure defense/offense, pretty much the possible worst kinds of things to find in a game as they have no other capabilities that would be truly useful besides point farming, or any limited thing depending on the game. That is still combatable here. Proto players are the epitome of "havng your cake after you ate it" which is why most will never develop real skill
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3649	Posted - 2014.10.26 04:58:00 - [8] - Quote I remember the days when players like d legendary hero and myself would complain about the crapiness of Heavies and HMGs. I remember the days when players like OZAROW use to complain about the crapiness of Scouts. I remember when Heavies and Scouts supported each other by agreeing with each other's proposed buffs. Now, everyone is at each other's throat. I hate all of you. I miss the days when we had one common enemy: AR wielding medium frames.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1150	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:03:00 - [9] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What's the issue with being shotgun in the back? At least they get close to you if it were me you'd be killed from 30+ meters because I use pistols and rifles. There's a time and a place for surprise *********, and the mood isn't always right! Nova Knives are best sidearm.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1044	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:06:00 - [10] - Quote 1. Strafing to the point of broken hit detection. Seriously annoying when you can not kill someone no matter what. 2. Scout SPAM (Every suit that turned FOTM has experienced this) 3. Scout SPAM even after you kill them. After killing them they can generally shoot you in the back in under 2 minutes as long as there are uplinks available thanks to a spawn and sprint back to where they died. 4. Most people can not stand when a GOOD scout sneaks up behind them and they never even get to put up a fight. I can go on but I feel like those are the main things.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5536	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:12:00 - [11] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I remember the days when players like d legendary hero and myself would complain about the crapiness of Heavies and HMGs. I remember the days when players like OZAROW use to complain about the crapiness of Scouts. I remember when Heavies and Scouts supported each other by agreeing with each other's proposed buffs. Now, everyone is at each other's throat. I hate all of you. I miss the days when we had one common enemy: AR wielding medium frames. Us Rifle wielding mediums still hate all of you Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1614	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:16:00 - [12] - Quote Heavies still get a lot of hate. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 233	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:25:00 - [13] - Quote I can easily outmaneuver and/or avoid a heavy in CQC, sometimes even out in the open (run away). Can't run from a Scout (easily) in anything other than Scout- even that is tough. Lovin' daddy Rattati! CCP Ankou s+êTà+ bro!
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1348	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:26:00 - [14] - Quote Noone really gets mad at scouts. They may think they are mad at the scout, but deep down inside they are really mad at themselves, for missing what they feel should have been easy shots, for an easy kill. Nobody actually gets mad at scout, but when pride and ego run head long into reality, something's got to give. A lot of people would rather go with their pride than face reality. {:)}{3GÇó>
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12802	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:27:00 - [15] - Quote Trust me, I LOATHE heavies, but at least I can see them coming. Even if I do a breach and check every corner, 5 scouts might still be hiding, cloaked, and shotgun me in the back. There's no counter to that **** except turning yourself 180 degrees every 2 seconds and looking like the most paranoid soldier ever. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:29:00 - [16] - Quote because you can choose not to engage a heavy
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1451	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:35:00 - [17] - Quote I do. What I hate is when I, in my 200 hp Shotgun scout, gets killed ten times by Sentinel ak.0 with a Boundless HMG and a Kal Bolt Pistol, even when I get the drop on him completely.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5538	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:41:00 - [18] - Quote hold that wrote: because you can choose not to engage a heavy Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 630	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:41:00 - [19] - Quote People still hate heavies, just not as much as Scouts. If there were only Gal and Min Scouts still, probably wouldn't b!tch as much. Also a lot of people hate the eWar bonuses of scouts. (Personally it should apply only if the person runs an eWar module. But I'm bias since Min Scouts get no eWar, we actually have to sacrifice everything from tank and speed) . But yeah it's eWar, speed and whatever else that **** people off about Scouts. Before Scouts, it was about heavies and their LA drivebys, couple with that turn speed -_- and a lot of scrubby heavies that ran Rail Rifle.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1370	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:08:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. maybe because 1. actually see heavies. 2. heavies are slow. 3. they are mostly restricted to heavy weapons and sidearms. 4. they show up on tacnet. 5. they are atleast 5x LESS used then scouts. scouts are a plague and need to be exterminated [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1370	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:10:00 - [21] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: hold that wrote: because you can choose not to engage a heavy Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner. its not instant, if you have any skills in passive scanning you see them lumbering by the corner so you GTFO where as scouts you dont get that luxury.. and you take 700+ damage in 1 shot from a shotgun [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1370	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:11:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. try a tanked cal scout with its bugged hitbox.. it bullet weaves more then neo in the matrix [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1370	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:17:00 - [23] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. Heavies don't have cloaks, and they don't shotgun you in the back while you're hacking an objective. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's because scouts were so outclassed before with so few people using them that when they got their buff (which was honestly a bit too large) people quickly started hating something they'd almost never been seeing before. The HMG might have been crap for awhile, but the heavies have never necessarily been bad, just their weapons. Oh, but let's not forget the cloaked brick tankers, people really hate those. well for a short time there was assault rifle sentinels but that got a nerf fairly quick.. and then Burst HMG heavies which i thought was actually somewhat fair got nerfed again so heavy use is down.. on a graph i found of suits purchased the only other suit lower then sentinel was commando by 1/2.. and logi wasnt much better off then sentinel http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php <- use dropdown menu on right side and select "dropsuits" to see what i mean [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1370	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:18:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. thats cause SCR sucks nuts vs armor.. save it for non dual tanked Cal and min suits.. want to drop a sentinel like a sack of ****? Flux+CR [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound 2420	Posted - 2014.10.26 06:50:00 - [25] - Quote The thing that makes scouts so powerful is that stealth allows them to choose their engagements. Other suits have to play reactively to the current tactical situation. Conversely, stealth allows you to play proactively choosing what target to engage at what time and what range. In a game like DUST where losses hurt, and attacking from a tactical advantage is such a huge component of who wins, and it's not hard to see why scouts are so hated. The decloak firing delay is a good first step. I'd also like to see assaults become decent at Ewar (not as good as scouts obviously) but decent enough that fitting Ewar modules is a viable option instead of being pointless. I'd also like to see active scanners buffed a bit (but not to the point where it used to be) to make Logis better at Ewar than they currently are. These will strongly incentivise scouts to fit more damps. Best PvE idea ever!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3988	Posted - 2014.10.26 09:38:00 - [26] - Quote People absolutely hate heavies because it's like fighting an ogre with.a toothpick. But you just have to remember where/how to stab. People hate.scouts with a passion bordering on holy because humans cannot handle the idea of being hunted like a prey animal. It causes us to freak out on a visceral level even when it is just a game. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Dimitri Rascolovitch Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 260	Posted - 2014.10.26 10:07:00 - [27] - Quote EVERYONE can see a heavy coming you dont see heavies running into large groups of people dropping REs and running away unscathed whilst getting massive amounts of kills heavies dont cloak heavies dont spam REs you can sweep your [insert weapon of choice] back and forth and always hit a heavy whereas in extreme cqc scouts have been known to not take damage Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
Duke Noobiam Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 223	Posted - 2014.10.26 13:19:00 - [28] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: hold that wrote: because you can choose not to engage a heavy Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner. Well that heavy showed up on your tacnet before you ran around that corner. Furthermore heavies are easy to take care of at more than 40 metres whereas a cloaked scout is nearly impossible to see at long range. How do you kill that which has no life?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5549	Posted - 2014.10.26 13:48:00 - [29] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: People absolutely hate heavies because it's like fighting an ogre with.a toothpick. But you just have to remember where/how to stab. People hate.scouts with a passion bordering on holy because humans cannot handle the idea of being hunted like a prey animal. It causes us to freak out on a visceral level even when it is just a game. This appears to be the most logical answer. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Bri Bub Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 56	Posted - 2014.10.26 13:56:00 - [30] - Quote My grandmother hated Leonard Nimoy because he had pointy ears... Edit: Ha, you stepped in with the word logical just as I was typing my post... The world still thinks about you Grandma! Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.

Ripcord19981 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 664	Posted - 2014.10.26 15:02:00 - [31] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: I do. What I hate is when I, in my 200 hp Shotgun scout, gets killed ten times by Sentinel ak.0 with a Boundless HMG and a Kal Bolt Pistol, even when I get the drop on him completely. then don't fukin engage the heavy. Common sense. I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.10.26 15:14:00 - [32] - Quote People hate scouts because omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience should be reserved for God. "Thats due to lag. The scout is uncloaked, but doesn't render as such because there is lag." -Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.10.26 15:17:00 - [33] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: I do. What I hate is when I, in my 200 hp Shotgun scout, gets killed ten times by Sentinel ak.0 with a Boundless HMG and a Kal Bolt Pistol, even when I get the drop on him completely. then don't fukin engage the heavy. Common sense. Did that stupid sum ***** really just say that he hates it when he can't kill a full proto heavy with his militia scout? "Thats due to lag. The scout is uncloaked, but doesn't render as such because there is lag." -Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1384	Posted - 2014.10.26 15:28:00 - [34] - Quote BCOZ SCOUTZ RULEZ Need I say more ??!!?? LOL, there is clear imbalance YES, fixing it I do not have the game producing experience to determine how such a fix would be applied, but one thing I do have the experience to say is Please Rattati, find your answer in whatever data you can get your hands on, just not the data reading ''62.57% of our Forum tears are harvested by Scouts'' ''Nerf them so I can stomp toooooooo'' Innapropriate Irrelevence...
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.10.26 16:19:00 - [35] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. maybe because 1. actually see heavies. 2. heavies are slow. 3. they are mostly restricted to heavy weapons and sidearms. 4. they show up on tacnet. 5. they are atleast 5x LESS used then scouts. scouts are a plague and need to be exterminated ^ logi that is protecting his mentally handicapped glue sniffing brother that holds a hose of death. Yeah heavies are so much easier to kill than scouts. Just know that no matter what youll always be a target.
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.10.26 16:21:00 - [36] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: People hate scouts because omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience should be reserved for God. Scouts are the embodiment of god and should stay the way they are because jesus sais so in the bible.
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 300	Posted - 2014.10.26 17:13:00 - [37] - Quote Scouts are just OP. That's it in a nut shell. Period. Sorry but my ck0 has almost as much HP as your assault and I can see you coming from a mile a way and what direction you're looking. Be glad I only break it out after I've been shot gunned twice.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1191	Posted - 2014.10.26 17:23:00 - [38] - Quote because you can't escape them. An invisible,hard to hit,8m/s sprinting,OHK wielding suit,with wall hacks that can resupply itself. Regardless of how many kincats you use,it's impossible to create an accurate counter unless you resort to using a scout suit yourself. Players wouldn't be so upset if scouts didn't have so many OHK weapons. Players are used to the light units doing low but fast damage,while heavy units do devastating slow damage. This premise has long been established in gaming history,but Dust completely ignores it. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 632	Posted - 2014.10.26 17:27:00 - [39] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Scouts are just OP. That's it in a nut shell. Period. Sorry but my ck0 has almost as much HP as your assault and I can see you coming from a mile a way and what direction you're looking. Be glad I only break it out after I've been shot gunned twice. Yeah the Gal/Cal/Amarr have potential to tank and still get the jump on people. Which is ass backwards. I'm probably just hating because I'm a Min Scout so tanking isn't even an option. If I shield tank, I ain't seeing sh!t, if I armor tank, I'm slow as hell and all other scouts can see me. If I speed tank(which I regularly do), I'm weak and can't have damps. If I double damp, then I'm "slow". And running proto Min is very expensive, we're still weak and fall over when coughed on. -_- Sure Speed Tanking is fun as all hell, but very very expensive. My proto Min cost between 100k to 116k(?), and that's with one complex shield extender, two eWar modules(complex precision), 3 kin kats(complex) and two sidearms (usually SMG/Pistol and Knives) Scouts should have to sacrifice something, not just one scout. My Gal Scout has more HP with one complex ferroscale than my Min Scout with one complex shield extender. It just doesn't make sense. Gal with one complex ferroscale is 245 armor, 87 shield. Min with one complex shield is 198 shield, 87 armor. .....Sorry I ranted.
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 301	Posted - 2014.10.26 17:41:00 - [40] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Scouts are just OP. That's it in a nut shell. Period. Sorry but my ck0 has almost as much HP as your assault and I can see you coming from a mile a way and what direction you're looking. Be glad I only break it out after I've been shot gunned twice. Yeah the Gal/Cal/Amarr have potential to tank and still get the jump on people. Which is ass backwards. I'm probably just hating because I'm a Min Scout so tanking isn't even an option. If I shield tank, I ain't seeing sh!t, if I armor tank, I'm slow as hell and all other scouts can see me. If I speed tank(which I regularly do), I'm weak and can't have damps. If I double damp, then I'm "slow". And running proto Min is very expensive, we're still weak and fall over when coughed on. -_- Sure Speed Tanking is fun as all hell, but very very expensive. My proto Min cost between 100k to 116k(?), and that's with one complex shield extender, two eWar modules(complex precision), 3 kin kats(complex) and two sidearms (usually SMG/Pistol and Knives) Scouts should have to sacrifice something, not just one scout. My Gal Scout has more HP with one complex ferroscale than my Min Scout with one complex shield extender. It just doesn't make sense. Gal with one complex ferroscale is 245 armor, 87 shield. Min with one complex shield is 198 shield, 87 armor. .....Sorry I ranted. Yeah I have an LP version of the mk0 scout it's by far the weakest just due to no ewar bonuses. Speed is nice but a Gal can go almost as fast and still have ewar bonuses. They need a complete rework of the scouts bonuses I believe and to reduce them to only 1 bonus plus the cloak.



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