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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5535
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:27:00 -
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Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
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Show the world we are one.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4211
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:31:00 -
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Well thank you especially since im Ak.0 scr using scout... anyway it comes from the permascan era merging with this new era of tanking and not being seen that brings the hate since the Ewar scaling is belly up and really needs to be addressed in future hot fixes.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1150
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:33:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
Heavies don't have cloaks, and they don't shotgun you in the back while you're hacking an objective. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's because scouts were so outclassed before with so few people using them that when they got their buff (which was honestly a bit too large) people quickly started hating something they'd almost never been seeing before. The HMG might have been crap for awhile, but the heavies have never necessarily been bad, just their weapons.
Oh, but let's not forget the cloaked brick tankers, people really hate those.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5535
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:35:00 -
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The biggest issue with the cloaks is their ability to reduce your profile. They're easier to see than a **** stain on white briefs.
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Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4211
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:36:00 -
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What's the issue with being shotgun in the back? At least they get close to you if it were me you'd be killed from 30+ meters because I use pistols and rifles.
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
107
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:38:00 -
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People hate scouts in general because they are hard to kill and not many classes are a match for skilled scouts. Scouts with shotguns are hated by everyone (even scouts without shotguns) because it is a cheap killing method, and unlike knives, has a stupid range. Knives take skill and i am sure you all agree. Just imagine this:
everytime you have shot somebody in the back, they have turned around. Shotgun scouts do that but insta-kill them]
scout ck.0 here!
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Lloyd Orfay
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:57:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
Easy to dispatch but not easy to predict, see, fight against, etc
Plus scouts ruin a majority of aspects in this game, like AV, being a logistics, snipers, pure offense, tanking, exploiting stealth to increase lethality in nearly everything, etc. Their very presence in a any match degrades player's gameplay quality if the reason they're in the match is solely to kill.(ERADICATE THE SCOUT VERMIN SO THE ARYAN RA- err.... SO THE NEW GAMER GENERATION REMAINS PURE *cough*)
Sentinels can be easy to dispatch with damage mods or so, easy to predict, mostly, easy to fight against as long as you see them before they see you. Sentinels are a combination of pure defense/offense, pretty much the possible worst kinds of things to find in a game as they have no other capabilities that would be truly useful besides point farming, or any limited thing depending on the game. That is still combatable here.
Proto players are the epitome of "havng your cake after you ate it" which is why most will never develop real skill
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3649
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:58:00 -
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I remember the days when players like d legendary hero and myself would complain about the crapiness of Heavies and HMGs. I remember the days when players like OZAROW use to complain about the crapiness of Scouts. I remember when Heavies and Scouts supported each other by agreeing with each other's proposed buffs.
Now, everyone is at each other's throat. I hate all of you.
I miss the days when we had one common enemy: AR wielding medium frames. |
Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1150
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:03:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:What's the issue with being shotgun in the back? At least they get close to you if it were me you'd be killed from 30+ meters because I use pistols and rifles.
There's a time and a place for surprise *********, and the mood isn't always right! 
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1044
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:06:00 -
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1. Strafing to the point of broken hit detection. Seriously annoying when you can not kill someone no matter what.
2. Scout SPAM (Every suit that turned FOTM has experienced this)
3. Scout SPAM even after you kill them. After killing them they can generally shoot you in the back in under 2 minutes as long as there are uplinks available thanks to a spawn and sprint back to where they died.
4. Most people can not stand when a GOOD scout sneaks up behind them and they never even get to put up a fight.
I can go on but I feel like those are the main things. |
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5536
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:12:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I remember the days when players like d legendary hero and myself would complain about the crapiness of Heavies and HMGs. I remember the days when players like OZAROW use to complain about the crapiness of Scouts. I remember when Heavies and Scouts supported each other by agreeing with each other's proposed buffs.
Now, everyone is at each other's throat. I hate all of you.
I miss the days when we had one common enemy: AR wielding medium frames.
Us Rifle wielding mediums still hate all of you 
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1614
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:16:00 -
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Heavies still get a lot of hate.
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
233
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:25:00 -
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I can easily outmaneuver and/or avoid a heavy in CQC, sometimes even out in the open (run away).
Can't run from a Scout (easily) in anything other than Scout- even that is tough.
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Son-Of A-Gun
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1348
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:26:00 -
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Noone really gets mad at scouts. They may think they are mad at the scout, but deep down inside they are really mad at themselves, for missing what they feel should have been easy shots, for an easy kill. Nobody actually gets mad at scout, but when pride and ego run head long into reality, something's got to give. A lot of people would rather go with their pride than face reality.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
12802
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:27:00 -
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Trust me, I LOATHE heavies, but at least I can see them coming.
Even if I do a breach and check every corner, 5 scouts might still be hiding, cloaked, and shotgun me in the back.
There's no counter to that **** except turning yourself 180 degrees every 2 seconds and looking like the most paranoid soldier ever.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
300
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:29:00 -
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because you can choose not to engage a heavy |
Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1451
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:35:00 -
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I do.
What I hate is when I, in my 200 hp Shotgun scout, gets killed ten times by Sentinel ak.0 with a Boundless HMG and a Kal Bolt Pistol, even when I get the drop on him completely. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5538
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:41:00 -
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hold that wrote:because you can choose not to engage a heavy
Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner.
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Aria Gomes
Wirykomi Wolf Pack
630
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:41:00 -
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People still hate heavies, just not as much as Scouts. If there were only Gal and Min Scouts still, probably wouldn't b!tch as much. Also a lot of people hate the eWar bonuses of scouts. (Personally it should apply only if the person runs an eWar module. But I'm bias since Min Scouts get no eWar, we actually have to sacrifice everything from tank and speed) .
But yeah it's eWar, speed and whatever else that **** people off about Scouts. Before Scouts, it was about heavies and their LA drivebys, couple with that turn speed -_- and a lot of scrubby heavies that ran Rail Rifle.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1370
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:08:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
maybe because
1. actually see heavies.
2. heavies are slow.
3. they are mostly restricted to heavy weapons and sidearms.
4. they show up on tacnet. 5. they are atleast 5x LESS used then scouts.
scouts are a plague and need to be exterminated
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1370
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:10:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:hold that wrote:because you can choose not to engage a heavy Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner.
its not instant, if you have any skills in passive scanning you see them lumbering by the corner so you GTFO where as scouts you dont get that luxury.. and you take 700+ damage in 1 shot from a shotgun
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1370
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:11:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
try a tanked cal scout with its bugged hitbox.. it bullet weaves more then neo in the matrix
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1370
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:17:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle. Heavies don't have cloaks, and they don't shotgun you in the back while you're hacking an objective. If I had to guess though, I'd say it's because scouts were so outclassed before with so few people using them that when they got their buff (which was honestly a bit too large) people quickly started hating something they'd almost never been seeing before. The HMG might have been crap for awhile, but the heavies have never necessarily been bad, just their weapons. Oh, but let's not forget the cloaked brick tankers, people really hate those.
well for a short time there was assault rifle sentinels but that got a nerf fairly quick.. and then Burst HMG heavies which i thought was actually somewhat fair got nerfed again so heavy use is down..
on a graph i found of suits purchased the only other suit lower then sentinel was commando by 1/2.. and logi wasnt much better off then sentinel
http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php <- use dropdown menu on right side and select "dropsuits" to see what i mean
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:18:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Scouts are extremely easy to dispatch compared to heavies. Those SOB's take an eternity to kill times two even when they're just militia, especially if you're using the Scrambler Rifle.
thats cause SCR sucks nuts vs armor.. save it for non dual tanked Cal and min suits.. want to drop a sentinel like a sack of ****? Flux+CR
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
2420
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Posted - 2014.10.26 06:50:00 -
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The thing that makes scouts so powerful is that stealth allows them to choose their engagements. Other suits have to play reactively to the current tactical situation. Conversely, stealth allows you to play proactively choosing what target to engage at what time and what range. In a game like DUST where losses hurt, and attacking from a tactical advantage is such a huge component of who wins, and it's not hard to see why scouts are so hated.
The decloak firing delay is a good first step. I'd also like to see assaults become decent at Ewar (not as good as scouts obviously) but decent enough that fitting Ewar modules is a viable option instead of being pointless. I'd also like to see active scanners buffed a bit (but not to the point where it used to be) to make Logis better at Ewar than they currently are. These will strongly incentivise scouts to fit more damps.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3988
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Posted - 2014.10.26 09:38:00 -
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People absolutely hate heavies because it's like fighting an ogre with.a toothpick. But you just have to remember where/how to stab.
People hate.scouts with a passion bordering on holy because humans cannot handle the idea of being hunted like a prey animal. It causes us to freak out on a visceral level even when it is just a game.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Dimitri Rascolovitch
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
260
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Posted - 2014.10.26 10:07:00 -
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EVERYONE can see a heavy coming
you dont see heavies running into large groups of people dropping REs and running away unscathed whilst getting massive amounts of kills
heavies dont cloak
heavies dont spam REs
you can sweep your [insert weapon of choice] back and forth and always hit a heavy whereas in extreme cqc scouts have been known to not take damage
Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
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Duke Noobiam
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.10.26 13:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:hold that wrote:because you can choose not to engage a heavy Really? How about when you round a corner and take an instant 500 damage from an HMG faster than you can even back track around the corner.
Well that heavy showed up on your tacnet before you ran around that corner. Furthermore heavies are easy to take care of at more than 40 metres whereas a cloaked scout is nearly impossible to see at long range.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5549
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Posted - 2014.10.26 13:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:People absolutely hate heavies because it's like fighting an ogre with.a toothpick. But you just have to remember where/how to stab.
People hate.scouts with a passion bordering on holy because humans cannot handle the idea of being hunted like a prey animal. It causes us to freak out on a visceral level even when it is just a game.
This appears to be the most logical answer.
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Bri Bub
Eternal Beings
Dark Taboo
56
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Posted - 2014.10.26 13:56:00 -
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My grandmother hated Leonard Nimoy because he had pointy ears...
Edit: Ha, you stepped in with the word logical just as I was typing my post... The world still thinks about you Grandma!
Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
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