DUST Search - EWAR on medium frames???

Chief-Shotty wrote:

I tried an ewar assault on my proto min assault.

I had 2 complex precision enhancers and and enhanced range amp.
Im full precision skills with level 3 range amplification skill

According to proto fits i should have had a
29.74 dB with a scan radius of 17m

Now of course the range is garbage but i tried it on a map with lots of close quarter sections on an ambush.
I thought i would at least pick up most suits other than scouts......

NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR!

I was pointblank or had a visual before anything showed up and you don't need scans when you actually have a visual on the suits.

Had reds that i KNEW were on the other side of a wall and still didn't have anything come up...It felt like ewar was bugged for assault suits or something.
Tried that suit in at least 10 matches before i said F'IT

I have better detection skills by keeping mobile and my head on a swivel at all times....deleted that fit promptly.

I thought assault would be good ewar as a hunter with high precision but it didn't help at all.

Need boosted precision and/or Range stats for sure.

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Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 170	Posted - 2014.10.23 16:11:00 - [1] - Quote What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 301	Posted - 2014.10.23 16:18:00 - [2] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? I always use a range amp on my logi fits, it's awesome. Sadly medium suit profile is slightly too high to warrant a dampener in my opinion.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 170	Posted - 2014.10.23 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote My thought: if we made scanning between mediums more prevalent then maybe you would. Not that I think we should scan scouts but I think EWAR between scouts is in a good place and was visioning that within the medium frames. If you knew you were being scanned by other assaults then you may have a fit to counter that and so begins the EWAR battle This could be viable now that assaults have become more prevalent. What changes could allow this? The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 302	Posted - 2014.10.23 16:40:00 - [4] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: My thought: if we made scanning between mediums more prevalent then maybe you would. Not that I think we should scan scouts but I think EWAR between scouts is in a good place and was visioning that within the medium frames. If you knew you were being scanned by other assaults then you may have a fit to counter that and so begins the EWAR battle This could be viable now that assaults have become more prevalent. What changes could allow this? Maybe buff active scanner arc to 90 degrees?
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 324	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:03:00 - [5] - Quote I tried an ewar assault on my proto min assault. I had 2 complex precision enhancers and and enhanced range amp. Im full precision skills with level 3 range amplification skill According to proto fits i should have had a 29.74 dB with a scan radius of 17m Now of course the range is garbage but i tried it on a map with lots of close quarter sections on an ambush. I thought i would at least pick up most suits other than scouts...... NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR! I was pointblank or had a visual before anything showed up and you don't need scans when you actually have a visual on the suits. Had reds that i KNEW were on the other side of a wall and still didn't have anything come up...It felt like ewar was bugged for assault suits or something. Tried that suit in at least 10 matches before i said F'IT I have better detection skills by keeping mobile and my head on a swivel at all times....deleted that fit promptly. I thought assault would be good ewar as a hunter with high precision but it didn't help at all. Need boosted precision and/or Range stats for sure. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:53:00 - [6] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: I tried an ewar assault on my proto min assault. I had 2 complex precision enhancers and and enhanced range amp. Im full precision skills with level 3 range amplification skill According to proto fits i should have had a 29.74 dB with a scan radius of 17m Now of course the range is garbage but i tried it on a map with lots of close quarter sections on an ambush. I thought i would at least pick up most suits other than scouts...... NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR! I was pointblank or had a visual before anything showed up and you don't need scans when you actually have a visual on the suits. Had reds that i KNEW were on the other side of a wall and still didn't have anything come up...It felt like ewar was bugged for assault suits or something. Tried that suit in at least 10 matches before i said F'IT I have better detection skills by keeping mobile and my head on a swivel at all times....deleted that fit promptly. I thought assault would be good ewar as a hunter with high precision but it didn't help at all. Need boosted precision and/or Range stats for sure. Interesting, the other day my MinASS without precision modules but with lvl 5 precision I was seeing everyone across the bridge on the budge dom map and I wasn't in sqaud. Was actually what made me write this thread. The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 268	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:00:00 - [7] - Quote What the beep is Ewar and tl:dc or whatever you guys call it ???? MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:04:00 - [8] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: What the beep is Ewar and tl:dc or whatever you guys call it ???? Just incase ur serious: EWAR is all forms of scanning and hacking including modules that affect percision, rang, dampening, and hack speed The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 569	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:12:00 - [9] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? I always use a range amp on my logi fits, it's awesome. Sadly medium suit profile is slightly too high to warrant a dampener in my opinion. Is the range amp the high slot one? I think it is... I run the high slot one on my Logi Fits too. Gives me just a little bit of an edge. Coupled with LVL 5 in all the EWAR skills, I don't see every scout before he jumps me, but I catch most of them.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:19:00 - [10] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? I always use a range amp on my logi fits, it's awesome. Sadly medium suit profile is slightly too high to warrant a dampener in my opinion. Is the range amp the high slot one? I think it is... I run the high slot one on my Logi Fits too. Gives me just a little bit of an edge. Coupled with LVL 5 in all the EWAR skills, I don't see every scout before he jumps me, but I catch most of them. High slot is percision mods The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1292	Posted - 2014.10.23 18:59:00 - [11] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Not that I think we should scan scouts . Don't get me wrong , I understand what you're saying in the whole fold of your comment and all but scouts should be the focus of active scanners for the fact that e-war is for them and they have the greatest benefit from bonuses , the suit it's self and the fact that they have the greatest tactical advantage of ground troops and if your not in a light suit they see what you don't .. really no matter if you have the observational core maxed and using mods , the main factor is the suit . It has really one drawback in the current make up of the game and that's HP's but other then that , it's faster , more agile in the case of the gal .. it's not seen , the regeneration ( if you equipt regen ) is phenomenal because of the low HP's so it doesn't have that much to regenerate and it can see you and double if your assault , your strafing and out stamina you . This is a complex matter and some thought has to go into the balancing process . It would be nice seeing as how I use to use HAV's and pre 1.7 the anti-vehicle against vehicle balance was horrible . Now it's in a good place and that's a major improvement . Get the bugs fixed and stop matters like having a match with 16 or 12 versus 8 or 10 and the game will be great . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 298	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:02:00 - [12] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? I always use a range amp on my logi fits, it's awesome. Sadly medium suit profile is slightly too high to warrant a dampener in my opinion. LoL so not being seen by anything on radar but scouts is a bad thing? Oh and dodging vehicle scans is bad too right? Dampeners are amazing regardless of what suit you run.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 302	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? I always use a range amp on my logi fits, it's awesome. Sadly medium suit profile is slightly too high to warrant a dampener in my opinion. LoL so not being seen by anything on radar but scouts is a bad thing? Oh and dodging vehicle scans is bad too right? Dampeners are amazing regardless of what suit you run. I'm glad you think so. The thing that put me off is that with only 1 damp Gallente and Amarr scouts can still scan me without precision mods (assuming max skills). I don't seem to get scanned enough by vehicles and active scanners to warrant one. This could be because I play Amarr assault, which isn't realy a suit that lends itself to sneaky flanking. Maybe Min or Gal assaults would be different. As for my logi, I'm normally standing in a group of heavies and assaults so I never feel that hiding my position would be all that useful.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4008	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:17:00 - [14] - Quote You can get below plenty of scans with 4 CPX dampners on a Medium or even a heavy suit. However, a scout will still be better than you since they're made for ewar. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should, BUT there is some reward for doing so.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote I run EWAR in some form on almost every fit, for me and my playing style I find it very useful. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 298	Posted - 2014.10.24 03:51:00 - [16] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I'm glad you think so. The thing that put me off is that with only 1 damp Gallente and Amarr scouts can still scan me without precision mods (assuming max skills). I don't seem to get scanned enough by vehicles and active scanners to warrant one. This could be because I play Amarr assault, which isn't realy a suit that lends itself to sneaky flanking. Maybe Min or Gal assaults would be different. As for my logi, I'm normally standing in a group of heavies and assaults so I never feel that hiding my position would be all that useful. I run Assault cko and I give up a lot of HP for the dampener and shield reg but I feel both are totally worth it. So many scouts don't have precision 5 and I kill so many when they run right past me. I guess it depends on your play style if you're running in a squad and sticking together it doesn't make a difference but I run solo a lot and I feel it's highly beneficial.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1135	Posted - 2014.10.24 06:35:00 - [17] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: What would make you willing to run any EWAR module on a medium frame? Scan rang is the largest reason why I don't. I could see other mediums or larger but what's the point at 10-15 meters? If my logi or assault had 20m then I would have some EWAR fits. How about you? Would this help the light assault problem? Being an EWAR rep logi is actually highly viable if you aren't ******** and neither if your heavy. Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12781	Posted - 2014.10.24 06:39:00 - [18] - Quote Normalize range to scout level, EWAR wars begin. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1482	Posted - 2014.10.24 06:51:00 - [19] - Quote Chief-Shotty wrote: I tried an ewar assault on my proto min assault. I had 2 complex precision enhancers and and enhanced range amp. Im full precision skills with level 3 range amplification skill According to proto fits i should have had a 29.74 dB with a scan radius of 17m Now of course the range is garbage but i tried it on a map with lots of close quarter sections on an ambush. I thought i would at least pick up most suits other than scouts...... NOTHING SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR! I was pointblank or had a visual before anything showed up and you don't need scans when you actually have a visual on the suits. Had reds that i KNEW were on the other side of a wall and still didn't have anything come up...It felt like ewar was bugged for assault suits or something. Tried that suit in at least 10 matches before i said F'IT I have better detection skills by keeping mobile and my head on a swivel at all times....deleted that fit promptly. I thought assault would be good ewar as a hunter with high precision but it didn't help at all. Need boosted precision and/or Range stats for sure. Same thing happened to me. I was just messing with my Proto amarr with max core skills. I put on a complex range amp/complex precision enhancer to warn me of incoming mediums/heavies. Did not do a thing. Even on CQC maps. If there was an enemy on my radar, I already knew about him before he got within my radar range. Even had heavies kill me from behind, when they were probably 2 feet away from radar range. Since 10-15 meters feels more like 10-15 feet, range modules practically do nothing for assaults, you're better off with an armor plate or reps.
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2928	Posted - 2014.10.24 06:57:00 - [20] - Quote Make scouts dampening and speed oriented, rename to ghosts. Make assaults precision and range oriented, rename to hunter. Fix mouse support in Dust 514! How to do it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=965407#post965407

hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2014.10.24 09:46:00 - [21] - Quote i use proto gal logi with active scanners, it works every thime
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2014.10.24 09:53:00 - [22] - Quote with precision enhancers you might see one or another tank fit scout, thats all. precision is worthless unless on dedicated suits because dampening is more dominant. eyes and awareness will net you more success without having to gimp your medium suits fittings.


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