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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:19:00 -
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If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair"
What's wrong with this picture???
Scouts are the annoying selfish little brother that wants all his toys and you can't play with them but them takes yours and you can't say anything about it!!!
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:34:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults?
Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700.
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:In my experience, scout frequently say no.
Scout says NO
Make scout YES 
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:15:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700. a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr)
"Most scans? You mean most scouts scans.
"Slow as..." Compared to scouts?
But then your not building a scout but an assault and I might add an assault that is only inferior to other scouts stats.
Yes they make poor scouts but exceptional assaults
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:18:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Actually, I posted several times on how to nerf the scout without killing the role in entirety.
Since this is a troll thread, I won't be making such post here. Good day, sir.
Not trolling simply pointing out the one sided attitude of scouts in all the "scout threads"
There are many good ideas that get blocked unfortunately.
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:25:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700. a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr) "Most scans? You mean most scouts scans. "Slow as..." Compared to scouts? But then your not building a scout but an assault and I might add an assault that is only inferior to other scouts stats. Yes they make poor scouts but exceptional assaults I mean that wonderful piece of equipment nobody thinks to use, the active scanner
Actually a scout that is vested in dampening beats all but proto scanners with out damps so that's not most scanners
Rather that's the best scanners that are a ***** to fit
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:31:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair" Scouts are doing what most players would do when you are deeply entrenched in a playstyle: defending it. It's normal, expected human behavior. We have to approach them with numbers. You can't argue with objective data. Personally, let scouts keep their walk/sprint speeds. Let them keep their passive scans. Let them keep their two equipment slots. Reduce light dropsuits strafing speeds to levels comparable to medium dropsuits. Stop strafing from being the Dust equivalent to matrix-dodging. That is the primary reason scouts win 1v1's right now.
Just to clarify, I don't want scouts nerfed into the ground. I use scouts, I love scouts, but I don't think they should assault but rather scout.
Your idea is very reasonable, as are many others that have been mentioned in other threads.
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Without mods? I don't know about that. I have a scout alt and have trouble finding even Minnie scouts half the time. And before you ask, I have Gal scout to 5, as well as precision, dampening and range to 5 on it. Maybe I just have a curse on my gaming. No, the TACNET is just finicky as hell. Some days it works exactly as intended, other days it won't display a sentinel 5m directly in front of you.
This needs fixed but I think it may have to do with connection/server ping or something similar
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:01:00 -
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Gareth Verenar wrote:X7 lion wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? becuse they dont want to be weighed down, i personaly i like scouts as they are now aside from the fact that they can have both ewar and bricked hp, it should be one or the other not both, not to say either should be removed just saying it should be one or the other when making your fit and if you want best of both out have to compromise each. You can't have ewar and brick when armor plates and dampeners compete for low slots. You can't brick without plates (shields don't brick, they're EHP values are too low), and Ferroscales and Reactives are far from brickable. And if you aren't fitting those slots with mostly plates you aren't bricking. I'll never get the argument that scouts can brick and have ewar. You guys have no idea what bricking is.
When compared to all other roles and suits they do brick and EWAR ( with their suit stats and skills)
The only thing they can't see or hide from when bricked is other scouts and proto active scanners
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2014.10.23 16:51:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Actually...
A number of long time scouts have no problem with doubling the speed penalty for armor plates on all scouts, so your theory is fundamentally wrong.
We have also been supportive of adjusting bonuses to module efficacy rather than passive.
Both recommendations subject to CCP data demonstrating problems, and not merely based off the forum QQ.
I agree completely with these long time scouts. My OP was regarding the attitude of the light assault crowd; AKA FOTM scouts.
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