DUST Search - Im really sick and tired of this crap. We are.

G Felix wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

I think the real problem isn't strafing, but, and I hope I am using the right term here, acceleration?

Its not that they can move side to side, its that it can be done so instantly.

That being said...

THIS IS NOT A SCOUT PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM OF MECHANICS!!!

Stop making every freaking problem a scout problem!

For crying out loud, you pansies think you would find something else to whine about.

Yes, strafing is a problem, given the acceleration, but why lump it in with inane scout fixes that do NOTHING AT ALL TO SOLVE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM!!!

This is an issue that affects ALL suits, but is most prevalent because of scout speed.

This ridiculous idea that nerfing speed and making scouts slow is a fix that brings balance to the game lacks foresight and awareness of real issues. It demonstrates the laziness that generally plagues the GD portion of the forums regarding balancing issues, as even when a real issue is identified, the people presenting it throw reason and logic out the window and dress up the problem in a way that shows they only care about nerfing play styles they don't like that counter their own and could give two squats about actual game balance and problem solving.

End rant.

Devil's Advocate:

Perhaps a change of the scout's numbers is a much simpler fix than a change to the physics of the game regarding inertia, especially considering how only limited programming man-hours seem to be available. Just sayin'.

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JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 265	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:13:00 - [1] - Quote I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9853	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:31:00 - [2] - Quote Thankfully, I don't strafe. I sprint in erratic directions to throw off shots while I attempt to close in on my target to stab them. XD Unfortunately this tactic only works best against tactical rifles. Regular rifles that just spray can counter this. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17473	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:42:00 - [3] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Bolt pistol hit once. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 611	Posted - 2014.10.23 04:53:00 - [4] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Have you ever played against people as skilled as ReGenUm or Kalante Schiffer (pretty sure I miss spelled both of those)? Watch those guys strafe in logi and assault suits so fast you can't track them. Strafing is a tactic to not get shot and those who do it well will destroy most of people they are fighting against because they can avoid taking fire. Click it! I dare you...
Chrome HD BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:10:00 - [5] - Quote Bring out your tank and it will meet the end of my blade as you did LOL still love the fact that you can nova knife a tank.
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 265	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:24:00 - [6] - Quote LeGoose wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and *** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Have you ever played against people as skilled as ReGenUm or Kalante Schiffer (pretty sure I miss spelled both of those)? Watch those guys strafe in logi and assault suits so fast you can't track them. Strafing is a tactic to not get shot and those who do it well will destroy most of people they are fighting against because they can avoid taking fire. A tactic oh I thought Dust was Dust not ***** cod. I wonder who in the right mind decided it was a great idea to do that. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 265	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:25:00 - [7] - Quote Chrome HD wrote: Bring out your tank and it will meet the end of my blade as you did LOL still love the fact that you can nova knife a tank. Your knife will meet my flaylock. Once you hear the Flaylock = Its over 1 shot = Out. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4199	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:31:00 - [8] - Quote Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of this game? So sad get good scrub. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Chrome HD BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:31:00 - [9] - Quote Thats what you think. Edit: link
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2356	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:34:00 - [10] - Quote Pffft. Please. I river dance as a Commando. You can't stop me- I must dance. Prof. V Plasma Cannon and Gallente Commando V. There is no regret. Only explosions.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4957	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:34:00 - [11] - Quote I think the real problem isn't strafing, but, and I hope I am using the right term here, acceleration? Its not that they can move side to side, its that it can be done so instantly. That being said... THIS IS NOT A SCOUT PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM OF MECHANICS!!! Stop making every freaking problem a scout problem! For crying out loud, you pansies think you would find something else to whine about. Yes, strafing is a problem, given the acceleration, but why lump it in with inane scout fixes that do NOTHING AT ALL TO SOLVE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM!!! This is an issue that affects ALL suits, but is most prevalent because of scout speed. This ridiculous idea that nerfing speed and making scouts slow is a fix that brings balance to the game lacks foresight and awareness of real issues. It demonstrates the laziness that generally plagues the GD portion of the forums regarding balancing issues, as even when a real issue is identified, the people presenting it throw reason and logic out the window and dress up the problem in a way that shows they only care about nerfing play styles they don't like that counter their own and could give two squats about actual game balance and problem solving. End rant. You can always tell a Millford Minja
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 265	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:43:00 - [12] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of this game? So sad get good scrub. Looks like you want to start with the Skill ? This is a game not a dame sport. Since when does KD matter ? let me see... NEVER it doesn't matter. After a long week I just want to have fun but with bullshit like this that scouts exploit = wtf why do cheap **** if you want to win. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 373	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:45:00 - [13] - Quote opens air lock, flushing every one out into space Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2569	Posted - 2014.10.23 05:48:00 - [14] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. If they lack EHP and lack agility as well, then they become WP pinatas. Not sure I support that. They have to have one OR the other, so they still need the EHP (Brick tanking is dumb). "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4199	Posted - 2014.10.23 06:02:00 - [15] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of this game? So sad get good scrub. Looks like you want to start with the Skill ? This is a game not a dame sport. Since when does KD matter ? let me see... NEVER it doesn't matter. After a long week I just want to have fun but with bullshit like this that scouts exploit = wtf why do cheap **** if you want to win. Well to be exact games are starting to be counted as a sport and sports are just COMPETITIVE games (gasp) but hey your in titled to your opinion. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
G Felix Second-Nature 53	Posted - 2014.10.23 06:14:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I think the real problem isn't strafing, but, and I hope I am using the right term here, acceleration? Its not that they can move side to side, its that it can be done so instantly. That being said... THIS IS NOT A SCOUT PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM OF MECHANICS!!! Stop making every freaking problem a scout problem! For crying out loud, you pansies think you would find something else to whine about. Yes, strafing is a problem, given the acceleration, but why lump it in with inane scout fixes that do NOTHING AT ALL TO SOLVE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM!!! This is an issue that affects ALL suits, but is most prevalent because of scout speed. This ridiculous idea that nerfing speed and making scouts slow is a fix that brings balance to the game lacks foresight and awareness of real issues. It demonstrates the laziness that generally plagues the GD portion of the forums regarding balancing issues, as even when a real issue is identified, the people presenting it throw reason and logic out the window and dress up the problem in a way that shows they only care about nerfing play styles they don't like that counter their own and could give two squats about actual game balance and problem solving. End rant. Devil's Advocate: Perhaps a change of the scout's numbers is a much simpler fix than a change to the physics of the game regarding inertia, especially considering how only limited programming man-hours seem to be available. Just sayin'. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4958	Posted - 2014.10.23 06:27:00 - [17] - Quote G Felix wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I think the real problem isn't strafing, but, and I hope I am using the right term here, acceleration? Its not that they can move side to side, its that it can be done so instantly. That being said... THIS IS NOT A SCOUT PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM OF MECHANICS!!! Stop making every freaking problem a scout problem! For crying out loud, you pansies think you would find something else to whine about. Yes, strafing is a problem, given the acceleration, but why lump it in with inane scout fixes that do NOTHING AT ALL TO SOLVE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM!!! This is an issue that affects ALL suits, but is most prevalent because of scout speed. This ridiculous idea that nerfing speed and making scouts slow is a fix that brings balance to the game lacks foresight and awareness of real issues. It demonstrates the laziness that generally plagues the GD portion of the forums regarding balancing issues, as even when a real issue is identified, the people presenting it throw reason and logic out the window and dress up the problem in a way that shows they only care about nerfing play styles they don't like that counter their own and could give two squats about actual game balance and problem solving. End rant. Devil's Advocate: Perhaps a change of the scout's numbers is a much simpler fix than a change to the physics of the game regarding inertia, especially considering how only limited programming man-hours seem to be available. Just sayin'. That may be true, but I think the end result would be a much greater imbalance, giving the lowest HP suits a nerf in speed, than would warrant such a fix. There are other issues that can be addressed in a more reasonable manner that would make the strafing issue less problematic. Not to mention the likelihood of this nerfing scouts so hard that many strafers will just go to assaults and abuse the same mechanic there on faster suits, with the addition of higher HP. In the end, you will fix nothing, and create more problems than you had to begin with. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2305	Posted - 2014.10.23 06:35:00 - [18] - Quote Is it really that bad? I've only had (slight) trouble when they're really up close, but I mean if they're that close anyway you're in their home field. But weapons like the MD and BP (heard the flay lock was good now but can't confirm) wreck scouts currently, so idk if there's much to fix Dust was there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1117	Posted - 2014.10.23 08:27:00 - [19] - Quote You do realize that any suit can side strafe, right? Minmatar assaults are particularly good at it, as are Caldari assaults. Even the Min heavy can do it relatively well. You think scouts are bad, try downing an advanced or proto caldari assault who knows how to strafe. 500-600 shielding and couldn't care less about your gunfire. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 406	Posted - 2014.10.23 09:23:00 - [20] - Quote Be thankful you weren't here for bunny hops Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1332	Posted - 2014.10.23 09:47:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Thankfully, I don't strafe. I sprint in erratic directions to throw off shots while I attempt to close in on my target to stab them. XD Unfortunately this tactic only works best against tactical rifles. Regular rifles that just spray can counter this. i can vouch for that tactic. was face-knifed by a minja in the last 2 hours [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 141	Posted - 2014.10.23 11:32:00 - [22] - Quote bolt pistol aim assist bullet magnetism hit once problem solved
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 520	Posted - 2014.10.23 11:50:00 - [23] - Quote LeGoose wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Have you ever played against people as skilled as ReGenUm or Kalante Schiffer (pretty sure I miss spelled both of those)? Watch those guys strafe in logi and assault suits so fast you can't track them. Strafing is a tactic to not get shot and those who do it well will destroy most of people they are fighting against because they can avoid taking fire. The reason it is effective for some, especially in a scout suit is because of lag. The graphics have faster movement due to syncing issues. for that reason scouts also shoot from cloak. The cloaked scout as ninja is bullsh*t anyway. It is a playstyle that belongs in another type of game. Either have a cloaked player for the sake of movement or have a scout that can move fast and not be hit. It's the same double dipping mechanics as forgers in tanks. Rattati apparently lokes this playstyle and has gone to great lengths to ensure it over. Good ol' combat and proper roles and suits are out the window. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Logical Logi Immortal Guides 20	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:08:00 - [24] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. -1. Making the Scout slow would defeat the porpuse of a Scout. That's like asking to make the Sniper Rifle shoot 15 Meters or the Rail Gun 10 meters. Director of Millitary Operations and General recruitment/training for Immortal Guides.
Gareth Verenar Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:29:00 - [25] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of the FPS? So sad get good scrub. Fixed.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 322	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote The only issue here is the lag, an skewered hit detection and strafe acceleration. I've seen what you are talking about but every suit can do that but scouts do it faster because of it speed. I found ironically the best tactic is to not aim. I just aim straight and they usually strafe side to side in a fashion that they incidentally go through your cross-hairs and you can get a few shots off despite them trying to 'shake your aim'. If you try to chase them than you are doing exactly what they want. They will shake it off every-time. You aim left- they move right, you aim right- they move left....don't fall for that trick...its a ruse. You won't hit them if your aiming is constantly chasing them. Let them do the work. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 259	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:39:00 - [27] - Quote LeGoose wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Have you ever played against people as skilled as ReGenUm or Kalante Schiffer (pretty sure I miss spelled both of those)? Watch those guys strafe in logi and assault suits so fast you can't track them. Strafing is a tactic to not get shot and those who do it well will destroy most of people they are fighting against because they can avoid taking fire. regynum I'm 100% sure uses kbm which gives you a slight speed edge in all things. All veteran players strafe dust is a strafe shooter. i don't know anyone skilled who doesnt strafe it's not a cheap tactic it's a common tactic. Also learn how to shoot and get Good. no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3861	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:54:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: I hate how scouts have to move ***** left and ***** right so fast that I lose my aiming. Wtf. Lord pyrex was right. Scouts who move left and right are just using cheap tactics to win 1 vs1. Make scouts slow and prevent them from brick tanking PERIOD. Before BS didnt existe but now its happening. If I see a scout doing that Bullshit. Ill take my tank and Demolish him. The BS needs to end. Bolt pistol hit once. Does not solve intrinsic broken mechanic caused by lack of dropsuit inertia. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3861	Posted - 2014.10.23 13:57:00 - [29] - Quote Gareth Verenar wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of the FPS? So sad get good scrub. Fixed. It's a crap lazy physics tactic that is no longer being made viable in modern shooters. DUST is the only shooter created in the last decade that hasn't eliminated or patched it out. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
castba Merc-0107 623	Posted - 2014.10.23 14:07:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your mad because a scout used a valid tactic that's been used since the birth of the FPS? So sad get good scrub. Fixed. It's a crap lazy physics tactic that is no longer being made viable in modern shooters. DUST is the only shooter created in the last decade that hasn't eliminated or patched it out. You can strafe to hell and back effectively in Destiny. no point in COD or BF as the ttk is so low. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3863	Posted - 2014.10.23 14:34:00 - [31] - Quote You CAN strafe back and forth in Destiny. But Destiny causes inertia to pause you when you change direction for a split second, which is where 90% of the time I murder the enemies. You can't bug out the hit detection in Destiny the way you can in DUST. Plus pocket infinity giggles at your attempts to escape death. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1818	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:01:00 - [32] - Quote LeGoose wrote: Have you ever played against people as skilled as ReGenUm or Kalante Schiffer (pretty sure I miss spelled both of those)? Watch those guys strafe in logi and assault suits so fast you can't track them. Strafing is a tactic to not get shot and those who do it well will destroy most of people they are fighting against because they can avoid taking fire. Those guys have great gungame. They aren't winning so much because they are untrackable (they are) but rather because they have the ability to shoot you in the face while they do it. That said, low framerates and fast strafing suits make for hit detection issues. Anyone who strafes in a scout suit knows it. I'm not sure the answer is slowing down the suits, nor is lowering TTK, but I'm hoping 1.9 framerate improvement will also find benefit here.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 451	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:43:00 - [33] - Quote If I send you ISK, will you buy the Gungame enhancer? You can find it under the GitGudScrub modules
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 84	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:44:00 - [34] - Quote Please consider this in relation to your excellent point OP: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=178418&find=unread -daj See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 409	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:41:00 - [35] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: regynum I'm 100% sure uses kbm which gives you a slight speed edge in all things. All veteran players strafe dust is a strafe shooter. i don't know anyone skilled who doesnt strafe it's not a cheap tactic it's a common tactic. Also learn how to shoot and get Good. I can't say what Regynum uses since I don't know him(?) but I can say he's very good w the strifing, I ran across him for the first time a few days ago and well things went poorly lol. I haven't seen many people that can move that quickly and still stay fairly accurate Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.


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