DUST Search - Pirate Faction Suits

Cross Atu wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Issue is that most of the pirate dropsuits take bonuses for things that cannot directly be applied in Dust 514.

E.G-

Sansha's ships like the Phantasm get bonuses like 20% After Burner Velocity and 7.5% Laser Tracking Speed per level and a base whopping 150% increase to Laser Turret Damage.

Blood Raiders Ships Like the Ashimu get bonuses like 20% Stasis Webber Range and 15% better Neut and Vamp Drains per level, and a 100% Laser Weapons bonus.

Players can barely stand 10% bonuses as they are now. They could not handle suits and or vehicle hulls that convey specialised and powerful bonuses, nor would appreciate them for what they are.

Some level of scaling would certainly have to be applied, for example currently remote reps in Dust are about 1/50th the power of those in EVE.

Also, you are right, the bonuses clearly don't translate straight across, but the concepts are appealing either way and as long as there is a 'vision statement' per pirate faction I think that could legitimately be worked backwards from to a reasonable place.

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5092	Posted - 2014.10.22 11:30:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if everyone knows about Eve, but there are special ships that have a low SP requirement from 2 races in that ship tier (L2 Amarr and Cal Frigate for example). The ships have bonuses per level of each race. I want some suits like this. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1857	Posted - 2014.10.22 13:41:00 - [2] - Quote This is a recurring request/ school of thought that has popped up before and one that I subscride to. But these are suits that should require a huge SP investment. I talking maxed out upgrades dropsuit upgrades tree and at least L4 on the two racial basic frame types and level 5 on the two specialist frames. They should also be highly specialised in a particular role. So a super fast scout varient as an example would have no base armour at all and suffer a larger % speed decrease for any armour modules placed on it. But it's an idea worth considering. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3405	Posted - 2014.10.22 14:51:00 - [3] - Quote A Nightmare dropsuit you say? Yes please I'll take one See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
benandjerrys NECROM0NGERS 49	Posted - 2014.10.22 15:23:00 - [4] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Not sure if everyone knows about Eve, but there are special ships that have a low SP requirement from 2 races in that ship tier (L2 Amarr and Cal Frigate for example). The ships have bonuses per level of each race. I want some suits like this. Lol I made a post about this awhile back.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3363	Posted - 2014.10.22 16:41:00 - [5] - Quote Dear lord Blood Stained Dropsuits.... gimme, gimme, gimme. Albeit I've always liked Serpentis and Guristas Stuff in EVE http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2099	Posted - 2014.10.22 17:57:00 - [6] - Quote A Serpentis or Shadow Serpentis Gallente scout suit? All dark black with green highlights? YES PLEASE! "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3273	Posted - 2014.10.22 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote Pirate suits are particularly good for the VeteranPE, as it gives them effectively use more SP at a given instance with dual bonuses, and while it doesn't necessarily give them an innate advantage, it allows for a more unique twist on previous concepts. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 911	Posted - 2014.10.22 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: This is a recurring request/ school of thought that has popped up before and one that I subscride to. But these are suits that should require a huge SP investment. I talking maxed out upgrades dropsuit upgrades tree and at least L4 on the two racial basic frame types and level 5 on the two specialist frames. They should also be highly specialised in a particular role. So a super fast scout varient as an example would have no base armour at all and suffer a larger % speed decrease for any armour modules placed on it. But it's an idea worth considering. Id powerlevel the hell outta gallente suits to Gurista someone in the face. Or Mordu the hell outta them. Give me ammo types or give me burst RRs! Death is irrelevant.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13739	Posted - 2014.10.22 20:28:00 - [9] - Quote Issue is that most of the pirate dropsuits take bonuses for things that cannot directly be applied in Dust 514. E.G- Sansha's ships like the Phantasm get bonuses like 20% After Burner Velocity and 7.5% Laser Tracking Speed per level and a base whopping 150% increase to Laser Turret Damage. Blood Raiders Ships Like the Ashimu get bonuses like 20% Stasis Webber Range and 15% better Neut and Vamp Drains per level, and a 100% Laser Weapons bonus. Players can barely stand 10% bonuses as they are now. They could not handle suits and or vehicle hulls that convey specialised and powerful bonuses, nor would appreciate them for what they are. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3391	Posted - 2014.10.22 23:08:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Issue is that most of the pirate dropsuits take bonuses for things that cannot directly be applied in Dust 514. E.G- Sansha's ships like the Phantasm get bonuses like 20% After Burner Velocity and 7.5% Laser Tracking Speed per level and a base whopping 150% increase to Laser Turret Damage. Blood Raiders Ships Like the Ashimu get bonuses like 20% Stasis Webber Range and 15% better Neut and Vamp Drains per level, and a 100% Laser Weapons bonus. Players can barely stand 10% bonuses as they are now. They could not handle suits and or vehicle hulls that convey specialised and powerful bonuses, nor would appreciate them for what they are. Maybe more of a suit blend so the Caldari Pirate Assault Skills required lvl 5 min Ass lvl 5 Cal Ass Slot layout of a cal ass base movement and stamina regen of a min and a slight bonus to clip size of smg's and/or CR's 10-15% Tanker/Logi/Assault

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3433	Posted - 2014.10.22 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Issue is that most of the pirate dropsuits take bonuses for things that cannot directly be applied in Dust 514. E.G- Sansha's ships like the Phantasm get bonuses like 20% After Burner Velocity and 7.5% Laser Tracking Speed per level and a base whopping 150% increase to Laser Turret Damage. Blood Raiders Ships Like the Ashimu get bonuses like 20% Stasis Webber Range and 15% better Neut and Vamp Drains per level, and a 100% Laser Weapons bonus. Players can barely stand 10% bonuses as they are now. They could not handle suits and or vehicle hulls that convey specialised and powerful bonuses, nor would appreciate them for what they are. Some level of scaling would certainly have to be applied, for example currently remote reps in Dust are about 1/50th the power of those in EVE. Also, you are right, the bonuses clearly don't translate straight across, but the concepts are appealing either way and as long as there is a 'vision statement' per pirate faction I think that could legitimately be worked backwards from to a reasonable place. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13752	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:21:00 - [12] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: True Adamance wrote: Issue is that most of the pirate dropsuits take bonuses for things that cannot directly be applied in Dust 514. E.G- Sansha's ships like the Phantasm get bonuses like 20% After Burner Velocity and 7.5% Laser Tracking Speed per level and a base whopping 150% increase to Laser Turret Damage. Blood Raiders Ships Like the Ashimu get bonuses like 20% Stasis Webber Range and 15% better Neut and Vamp Drains per level, and a 100% Laser Weapons bonus. Players can barely stand 10% bonuses as they are now. They could not handle suits and or vehicle hulls that convey specialised and powerful bonuses, nor would appreciate them for what they are. Some level of scaling would certainly have to be applied, for example currently remote reps in Dust are about 1/50th the power of those in EVE. Also, you are right, the bonuses clearly don't translate straight across, but the concepts are appealing either way and as long as there is a 'vision statement' per pirate faction I think that could legitimately be worked backwards from to a reasonable place. Indeed I can however see some of those bonuses being factored into the suits basic statistics and then further backed up by the lore. For example- After Burners are the slower, more Cap manageable propulsion modules that the Nation seems to gain benefits too, almost side tracking, and Laser Damage. If we were to produce an Assault Dropsuit for them this might apply (Assuming Prototype Level). Sansha's Nation Design Philosophy - Raider - Fast - Heavy Fire Power - Highly Developed Technology - Balance between Shield and Armour (55-45 Split) - Lots of High Slots True Citizen Sk.0 Caldari Assault Dropsuit Operation 5-10% Efficiency to Kinetic Catalysers per level Amarr Assault Dropsuit Operation. 1.5-2.5% reduction to heat build up per level Role Bonus 10% Increase to Laser Weapons Damage Description: During Sansha Kuvakei's Incursions hundred of thousands of True Slaves are dispatched to harvest the he affected planets citizenry, in order to ensure the efficiency of his thralls True Citizen Overseers are deployed alongside these Legions to ensure lines of communication be established at all time. This dropsuit has become a symbol amongst Cloned Soldiers as an embodiment of fear, as its visage is said to torment survivors of its brutal attacks in the same way Nation vessels have haunted the dark corners of New Eden. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3434	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:31:00 - [13] - Quote Adamance my good man, you beat me to the punch here, I was just scraping together something very much along those lines. +1 sir o7 See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13754	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:34:00 - [14] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Adamance my good man, you beat me to the punch here, I was just scraping together something very much along those lines. +1 sir o7 I may or may not have at one point before becoming Hardcore Amarrian fantasised about being a Nightmare Pilot. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3434	Posted - 2014.10.23 00:53:00 - [15] - Quote For inspirations sake (and for the curious who may not be familiar with the ships) Source Frigates(Light) Cruor (Blood Raiders) Daredevil (Angel Cartel) Dramiel (Angel Cartel) Succubus (Sansha's Nation) Worm (Guristas Pirates) Cruisers (Medium) Ashimmu (Blood Raiders) Cynabal (Angel Cartel) Gila (Guristas Pirates) Phantasm (Sansha's Nation) Vigilant (Serpentis) Battleships (Heavy) Bhaalgorn (Blood Raiders) Machariel (Angel Cartel) Nightmare (Sansha's Nation) See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13757	Posted - 2014.10.23 01:13:00 - [16] - Quote Here are my thoughts regarding each faction. Blood Raiders are the trickiest to do as besides their Laser Damage their sole focus lies in Cap Draining and Webbing, content that is not yet in game. However throw Capacitors in Anti Vehicle Stasis Webifiers into the game. -Raider -Laser Damage -Draining -Confinement -Armour Focused ( 45-55) Gurista's are nice and easy. Shields, Missiles, ******* DRONES. Less easy to convert as there aren't many missile based weapons, shield durability is easy to include, but the drones......not so much especially as they are the central and primary form of damage of their ships. - Durable - Missile Damage - Shield Resistance - Drones - Heavy Shield Tank ( 65-35) I wouldn't have a clue how to balance for Serpentis or Angel Cartel. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9853	Posted - 2014.10.23 02:50:00 - [17] - Quote This idea was actually brought up a long time ago as a means to encourage veterans to cross train multiple suits and it allows each racial dropsuit skill book to provide more options. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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