I would be a hysterically Minmatar weapon.....

Gunner: Keep me steady sir.
PilotL I am, Cardboard and Ductape Engines holding.
Gunner: BUT WHY AM I NOT HITTING THEM?!

LOL Would would a smoothbore cannon and Autocannons turrets.

Almost rather see something like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLRbutgJLXs

I don't like this rut vehicle stuff has fallen into, and as these turrets are not just for ADS, y'need something with recoil/weight behind it.

Throw one of these on an ADS and it would be a real Light-Heavy Vehicle Killer

Yeah that's my thought on the 'artillery' arch type for small turrets.

Larger ones be more closer to traditional tank cannons.

Autocannons just oversized HMGs.

Indeed knowing full well Minmatar use two primary types of Projectile Weapon (Artillery and Autocannon). However I suggets that if this is something you push you tell CCP please don't allow CCP to ever make a Large Turret version.

Indeed knowing full well Minmatar use two primary types of Projectile Weapon (Artillery and Autocannon). However I suggets that if this is something you push you tell CCP please don't allow CCP to ever make a Large Turret version.

Why dont we just let dropships of all kinds fit Large turrets? Of course that would be a good idea!

Just think about it, an Incubus firing large rail rounds.... it would boost itself back after every shot. A python with a full rack of large missiles....

You know its a great idea

Why dont we just let dropships of all kinds fit Large turrets? Of course that would be a good idea!

Just think about it, an Incubus firing large rail rounds.... it would boost itself back after every shot. A python with a full rack of large missiles....

You know its a great idea

Rather have the gunship armed in such manner. The de facto Air to Ground weapon.

dont blasters on an incubus already mince other ADS with longer range weapons? this just makes me feel that ads pilots are lazy and want to kill at both long and short range with the same weapon.. CHOOSE! long or short.

BASICALLY.. you ADS pilots are trying to be slayers when your actually support.. Transport.. and "air support" NOT "Air to air superiority" and not "Air to ground superiority"

because ads isn't a "HEAVY" air vehicle its a medium iirc

dont blasters on an incubus already mince other ADS with longer range weapons? this just makes me feel that ads pilots are lazy and want to kill at both long and short range with the same weapon.. CHOOSE! long or short.

dont blasters on an incubus already mince other ADS with longer range weapons? this just makes me feel that ads pilots are lazy and want to kill at both long and short range with the same weapon.. CHOOSE! long or short.

BASICALLY.. you ADS pilots are trying to be slayers when your actually support.. Transport.. and "air support" NOT "Air to air superiority" and not "Air to ground superiority"

Not so much that its that CCP shoe horned the ADS into a role that was other wise designed for the Helicopter/Gunship.

Beyond that until recently they never stated that ADS were supposed to be aggressive deployment units.

They've not yet specified that Gunships are to be a real role, and most people specced into ADS for the Gunship role, or so I assume.

They do not. Small blasters are useful for infantry, and not much else. And even for infantry they still struggle.

Have you used small blasters in any way, shape, or form? Because the only limitation on their murderliciousness against infantry is the HMG-style dispersion... and even then, the sheer deeps that it puts out....

Well. I know that I certainly don't want to be on the receiving end of a small blaster.

Unfortunately Za'ki, you again prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. Small blasters have an ~44% efficiency against vehicles- and that's against vehicle shields too, so it's even less useful against vehicle armor. So no, small blasters are NOT the glorious anti-air weapon that you are passing them off as. Furthermore, a regular dropship more than fills the role of "Blackhawk with two miniguns". Just season with blasters.

An ADS, on the other hand, cannot carry a full squad (thus, is absolutely not equivalent to a Blackhawk), and fits a nose-mounted, pilot controlled weapon station. As I've said before, the ADS is in concept very similar to the Mi-24 Hind gunship.

Now, as far as ADS AV functionality, I have two thoughts: first off, rebuild vehicles from the ground up... again. The initial Uprising 1.7 proposal was that vehicles would be weak, flimsy hulls and that the fit would determine really what its role was. A requirement for this would have been low-eHP hulls with lots of module slots.

What we got was high-eHP hulls with an incredible restrictive fitting capability that ultimately led to a very small number of useful fits. Moreover, it's my opinion that this has led to vehicle fitting being overly generic, since even outside the small number of viable vehicle fits, most vehicle fits end up looking pretty identical.

By having an increased number of module slots, with an appropriate tweak to PG/CPU, and a reduction in base hull HP values, we can then have players choose what their vehicle roles are by how they fit it. As an example, if the Incubus had even a second high slot, the amount of versatility that that suddenly allows is a pretty impressive change; you can have damage for AV, scans for support, even an MCRU if you need mobile spawns.

So yeah, that's my opinion. If you need a TL;DR (I don't really blame you), then it's this: tear apart vehicles, rebuild them from the ground up, and actually stick to the original mission statement of "weak hulls, lots of mod slots, lots of customization".

Also, please do not ever add Logi LAVs again. They are impossible to balance for their intended purpose.

Large Autocannons should be feasible; slow spin up firing makes it okay at infantry suppression but when it gets really spinning it becomes wasteful on ammo to use on infantry. By then it would feel like being assaulted by an anti armor blaster like weapon as a vehicle. Should probably feature the best up arc viewing though and maybe slightly less range and damage and better rotation speed.

Large Artillery not sure if it should be like a giant mass driver with really low arc and more pain than the railgun can offer or something more tank cannon like with a rapid fire complex.

fact is blasters suck hard at any useable range while being in an ads that is why most all ads pilots use missile or rail, simple as that i have yet to see one ads with blasters in a game.

however i do liek the idea of a base vehicle which will perform how you fit it.. and i do want the logi lav back but something like "owner =/= recive reps" so it dosnt become murdertaxi again..

as i see vehicles atm we have MLT Basic and Standard(ads assault)
as for tanks we have MLT and Basic.. iirc wasnt the maurauder the standard version?

Overall, vehicles with weaker base health, more module slots, more vehicle mods in general, and greater turret variation will be a more difficult but ultimately more balanced route to take- it might take a lot more up-front work, but in terms of nailing down the balance it will be well worth it and will absolutely be easier to maintain than the mess we have now.

Last time Blasters worked really well against other dropships was back in E3 update of the closed beta. I would know I was one of the ace pilots back then.

Inspired by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan

What it does in IRL

Shoots quite a large number of munitions in an 'arc' allowing it to 'slice' aircraft and lightly armored vehicles in half almost.
Empties out on a single controlled trigger pull just about.

Modifying for the video game.

We take the same concept; high fire volume and low endurance. This would up the amount of damage against vehicles but significantly make it rather exceptionally useless against infantry.

Goals:

Destroys LAVs if you nail it right.
Viable Air to Air weapon
Very feasible HAV threat may required combined effort or very steady aim.
Feasible anti Structure threat.
All small turrets
No large turrets
Horrendous anti equipment and anti infantry ability.
Low Field Endurance.
Viable Ground to Air for HAVs or LAVs to use
Harder to Fit than standard Turrets making it a purposeful choice of building the entire vehicle fit AROUND this gun rather than having it just because.
Same unlock convention as infantry variant weapons are +1 of baseline's required level.
Fast Reacting victims can throw up their hardeners to out survive the endurance of the gun or buy a moments respite.
Would make fitting ammo caches very appealing again to extend endurance.

Prefix Names possibles

'Burst' (historically weapon variants for vehicles do not follow the same naming convention as infantry)
'Compressed' The idea that you are compressing your damage window to do the high amounts of damage in a short amount of time. Was previously used may not be accepted.
'Accelerated' the idea that your weapons are overlocking to shove as many rounds out as possible. Was previously used may not be accepted.
'Impact' to emphasize its hard hitting this has not been used before so should be good to go.

Possible Skill Bonus 'Synergies'
ADS skills should start including Hybrid cooldown rates instead of ROF.
SLAVs reserve ammo bonus
MHAV Damage Bonus
EHAV Range Bonus

Blasters - Should feel like a Burst HMG when it goes off, heats up quickly allowing at most 3 bursts before seizing up, the entire magazine may have up to 6 bursts, and only 2-3 reloads. Could be shifted to have no reloads and massive magazine making burst management the only thing the pilot has to focus on. This will have the best on pressure and endurance of the three but lowest overall damage.

Rails - Not to be left out of the race the rail variant would rapidly fire up to 5-10 shots after hitting its max charge which takes a slightly longer than standard time to achieve to help prevent misfiring. The rail variant will always overheat but in terms of relationship it outstrips the other two in accuracy, range, speed, and alpha strike damage while suffering in the rof and dps department. Great for soft low HP vehicles or vehicles with low armor repair rates.

Missiles - A 'cluster' bomb like shotgun spread makes it a carpet bombing like pattern making it very deadly against large targets. Smaller targets can enjoy the lack of splash as these missiles are more kinetic kill vehicles instead of the standard explosive. The missiles will be the premier anti structure and anti large vehicle turret featuring mid ground on many attributes.

Just note that all of these turrets will run dry real quick in comparison to their non av variant cousins this would allow counter vehicles to arm up and get to the field to face the armed vehicle while AV infantry can now provide cover for their vehicles.