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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4410	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:31:00 - [1] - Quote Nothing in this game should ever "maintain" a KDR of 43. Ever. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4410	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote No consumable item fielded in this game should ever survive 20 games. Ever. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4412	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote Okay, let me ask you, how many kills and deaths do you expect with a well-balanced ADS in the course of a single match? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4413	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:09:00 - [4] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Now tell me this Soraya, why should I skill level 5 ROF if it's not going to, mathematically, help me in any way. No other skill bonus in the game was offering a monumental 50% buff. That was crazy. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4435	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:13:00 - [5] - Quote Kallas, the point is, ISK cannot be a justification to buff a thing. Because that is not balance. You can set the ISK price based on power and effectiveness, but that is the afterthought. The balance must be from how it plays in the game. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4440	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:35:00 - [6] - Quote The game has to be balanced independently of ISK. Then you set the ISK rate to fit the effectiveness of things afterwards. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4440	Posted - 2014.10.29 14:42:00 - [7] - Quote I've answered your question already. ISK is not a balancing factor. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4443	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:27:00 - [8] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: well, you didn't answer mine. You skill into ROF if you want a greater ROF. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4455	Posted - 2014.10.29 15:56:00 - [9] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: yet looking at the math, it's not worth level 5, especially when asking 1.2mil. care to tell me why my most expensive skill is nothing more than convenient? Skills are intended to use diminishing returns, from level 1 to 5, and at higher skill multipliers (8x, etc.). More advanced tweaks to your suits and vehicles become less and less powerful, and require more and more SP as you go deeper into the skill tree. This is by design. Whether the skill is worth it to you is a personal decision, but it was overpowered and now it is not. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4462	Posted - 2014.10.29 16:45:00 - [10] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I've answered your question already. ISK is not a balancing factor. Ok, so with that being the case, why does a Prototype suit cost more than a Standard suit? Why does an ADS hull cost more than a fully fitted infantry suit? You have said yourself that ISK is not a balancing factor, so why is ISK even needed? I have explained this as well. ISK is not a balancing factor, as in, you do not use it when balancing gear. But you set the ISK price based on it's place in the game balance. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4465	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:42:00 - [11] - Quote Many things are goofy from the old way of doing things. Generally, ISK should be fairly representative of a thing's effectiveness in battle. Better things should cost more. ISK still obviously has a point, because there are tiers of items. But ISK cost is a result of balance, not an input justification to balance. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4466	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:28:00 - [12] - Quote No, it doesn't run counter to anything I've said. You simply aren't comprehending what I am explaining. I will try one more time. You can base ISK cost on effectiveness. You cannot base effectiveness on ISK cost. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4468	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:52:00 - [13] - Quote I am now giving up on this thread. Which is fine, because it was a bad thread to begin with. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4469	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:00:00 - [14] - Quote I did not twist and turn at all. Your inability to comprehend the issue is not my problem, as I have exhausted multiple attempts to explain it to you. You cannot explain things to a brick wall. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4470	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Also the effectiveness of AV is now balanced the same as the effectiveness of vehicles... So tanks/ads need a price drop to be in line with other proto suits. You are assuming tanks and ADSes are equivalent in effectiveness as proto suits. The ADS did receive a price drop with Delta. Had it not been nerfed, it would've needed a price increase, in fact. Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Really, I guess the point I'm driving at is that ADSs are not worth the ISK nor the SP cost, as voiced by pretty much every pilot I've spoken to and most pilots I've seen on the forums. This may be their biased opinion, but the data does not agree. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4477	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:41:00 - [16] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: As Derpty and Derrith have been talking about, the ROF bonus is extremely expensive and yet provides a very limited bonus to actual effectiveness. Again, this is by design. Look at infantry skills which offer 3% reload rate increase. Some of the fitting optimization skills require two ranks just go get you 1 PG back. High-tier skills are extremely expensive and provide a very limited bonus. This is by design game-wide, but the ADS RoF bonus was a broken exception to the rule. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

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