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Derrith Erador
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Posted - 2014.10.28 22:07:00 -
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Well, I guess I need to draw up a necro bump.
Now tell me this Soraya, why should I skill level 5 ROF if it's not going to, mathematically, help me in any way.
And just for fun, I'd like you to put yourself in our shoes. Let's say you're wanting to become a pilot, and you just unearthed an old alt with 15 mil SP in it. Tell me exactly what you'd invest in for your ADS and dropsuit, and I will tell you exactly how you killed your team. Also, if you could tell me which skills you'd go into first, and at what levels, that'd be great.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.28 22:53:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Now tell me this Soraya, why should I skill level 5 ROF if it's not going to, mathematically, help me in any way. No other skill bonus in the game was offering a monumental 50% buff. That was crazy.
i put a link in my previous comment which should say my exact answer. but the problem here now is you did not answer my question. why should i, or any aspiring pilot, go level 5 ROF?
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:07:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I've answered your question already. ISK is not a balancing factor.
well, you didn't answer mine.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:53:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:well, you didn't answer mine. You skill into ROF if you want a greater ROF.
yet looking at the math, it's not worth level 5, especially when asking 1.2mil. care to tell me why my most expensive skill is nothing more than convenient?
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:19:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:
Skills are intended to use diminishing returns, from level 1 to 5, and at higher skill multipliers (8x, etc.). More advanced tweaks to your suits and vehicles become less and less powerful, and require more and more SP as you go deeper into the skill tree. This is by design.
Whether the skill is worth it to you is a personal decision, but it was overpowered and now it is not.
oh, but it's not a personal decision. i've asked every pilot i know, along with a few AVers. not a single one would go level 5 in it.
and from my ground time along with my math, i can tell you that people skilled into their dropsuits because it was worth it. people skilled into proto AV because it was worth it. people skill into reload speed, proficiency, and ammo capacity for AV because it was worth it. this isn't some personal opinion, like you say. it's the math of it. i'm asking for the same thing AVers get with their skills, to be worth it. that shouldn't be such a horrible thing to ask for.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:42:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:
Because math differs to practical use... Yes IF the ads and the av player do everything at the exact first possible moment it all counts for nothing, but in practice that doesn't happen, people have to fly, move and aim (among other things.)
An extra anything is going to help in certain rare circumstances, be it against another dropship and LAV getting into the redzone... An infantry player running into a building... Or just maybe you didn't fly perfectly and ended up pointing the sight at the guy just slightly before you could have fired with lvl 4.
"in certain rare circumstances". i can safely assure you that i haven't ran across any situations where my ROF saved me. i've had situations where my shield recharge saved me, where my core grid management saved me, and where my shield tanking has saved me. aside from that, you answered this question before, saying you had level 3, and wouldn't even bother touching it. did something change?
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.29 20:23:00 -
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@ Derp, ROF is for helping you kill, this is true. but in this repect, it also helps you survive. case in point, two people are in battle, both weapons do the same damage, and their builds are the same, but one persons ROF is a little better. who wins?
but on to my point. i'm not asking for a higher raw ROF for turrets, i'm asking that our ROF per level be noticeable for it's (not 10%, don't get your panties in a bunch).
on movement, the only place i've been able to accurately factor that in is ADS vs maddy, and that's because of the back and forth technique (buys min 4 seconds), so not really. and the problem i have there is missiles is anti armor, and max ROF can't break the rep cycles of dropsuits/tanks. we're only a threat to idiot tankers.
and on you not having any sort of need to devote yourself to a role, am i the only the one with an issue on this? not trying to criticize, but not needing to devote yourself to a role is kind of stupid to me.
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