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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:53:00 -
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So I've been dying a lot in dropships these days and 9 out of 10 times I've 'Committed Suicide' as opposed the the swarm launcher/forge that downed me appearing in the kill feed
I'm not bailing out as lol starter fit, so I was wondering what cause of death shows up in CCPs stats |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:55:00 -
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Impact damage when your flaming Dropship hits the Ground?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:05:00 -
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I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well.
Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:09:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well. Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight.
And I have no regrets either.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well. Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight. And I have no regrets either.
Of course you have no regrets, you're almost single-handedly getting this turned into a Call of Duty copy.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:27:00 -
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Well my point was do they see that a swarm/forge killed me (useful data) or that I died of an unknown source (poor data)? |
Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:29:00 -
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Ps there are a million ADS nerf/buff threads I just want to get a CCP response on the data |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:43:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:So I've been dying a lot in dropships these days and 9 out of 10 times I've 'Committed Suicide' as opposed the the swarm launcher/forge that downed me appearing in the kill feed
I'm not bailing out as lol starter fit, so I was wondering what cause of death shows up in CCPs stats
I've brought it to the attention of the Devs.
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:02:00 -
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Word back from Rattati is that it's likely that you got hit by your own DS. Happens a lot apparently.
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Haerr
Clone Manque
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:19:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Word back from Rattati is that it's likely that you got hit by your own DS. Happens a lot apparently.
This is a continuing source of enjoyment in FW...
Beginning of the match, playing DS taxi, dropping off squad mates close to points.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:03:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Word back from Rattati is that it's likely that you got hit by your own DS. Happens a lot apparently.
You wouldn't know because you don't fly.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:17:00 -
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it shows up as a suicide for the same reason that it shows up as a suicide when your LAV is shot by a tank railgun.
It ahh... *ahem* ... had six remote explosives strapped to the bumper.
Your dropships hit the ground it counts as a collision kill, just like the RE is your own equipment, hence it's counted as a suicide because the only roadkill awarded to another player is when a dropsuit gets run over or crushed by a vehicle. hilariously your crashing dropship DOES count for this if the wreck lands on someone.
I still think the jihad jeep secondary explosions should award the tank driver a kill.
I also think it should award me -50 warpoints when I giggle and shoot an enemy RE under a blueberry who's hacking a point deliberately.
But that's the way the code happens.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:So I've been dying a lot in dropships these days and 9 out of 10 times I've 'Committed Suicide' as opposed the the swarm launcher/forge that downed me appearing in the kill feed
I'm not bailing out as lol starter fit, so I was wondering what cause of death shows up in CCPs stats
2 factors.. even when you bail out of your DS for a moment you are going 0m/s while your DS is going at "Road-Kill" speed.. or you land and your DS lands on you.. or you bail and the DS blows up and splash damages you
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:it shows up as a suicide for the same reason that it shows up as a suicide when your LAV is shot by a tank railgun.
It ahh... *ahem* ... had six remote explosives strapped to the bumper.
Your dropships hit the ground it counts as a collision kill, just like the RE is your own equipment, hence it's counted as a suicide because the only roadkill awarded to another player is when a dropsuit gets run over or crushed by a vehicle. hilariously your crashing dropship DOES count for this if the wreck lands on someone.
I still think the jihad jeep secondary explosions should award the tank driver a kill.
I also think it should award me -50 warpoints when I giggle and shoot an enemy RE under a blueberry who's hacking a point deliberately.
But that's the way the code happens.
yeah flux should disarm RE not make it go boom.. iv killed quite a few people that way.. though iv been a massive dong and done it on purpose too
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:29:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:So I've been dying a lot in dropships these days and 9 out of 10 times I've 'Committed Suicide' as opposed the the swarm launcher/forge that downed me appearing in the kill feed
I'm not bailing out as lol starter fit, so I was wondering what cause of death shows up in CCPs stats I've brought it to the attention of the Devs. o7
Thanks for the response.
So follow up, does it show what caused the most damage to a Dropship? Swarm/floor impact etc |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.10.20 21:50:00 -
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I find this an interesting thread. I almost never get credit for a kill on a dropship and I assumed everyone bailed. If they are dying from suicide or road kill then not only don't get points for the kill the data is screwed and skewed.
Because, that's why.
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.21 02:20:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:So I've been dying a lot in dropships these days and 9 out of 10 times I've 'Committed Suicide' as opposed the the swarm launcher/forge that downed me appearing in the kill feed
I'm not bailing out as lol starter fit, so I was wondering what cause of death shows up in CCPs stats 2 factors.. even when you bail out of your DS for a moment you are going 0m/s while your DS is going at "Road-Kill" speed.. or you land and your DS lands on you.. or you bail and the DS blows up and splash damages you
I would like to emphasise again, I'm not bailing out, I'm using an alt with very little SP invested in anything other than vehicles so I go down with the ship |
Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:04:00 -
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So of the 20+ ADS deaths i've had this week i would say the split is
70% 'Suicides'
10% (Died)
10% Swarm Launchers
5% Forge
5% Rail
of which the real cause of death would be
60% swarms
15% Forge
10% Rail
10% Kamikaze pilots
5% my piloting 'skills'
From my not so extensive research I think the reason swarms do not show up so much as the cause of death is that I'm dropping altitude to gain speed and avoid the swarms. This brings me closer to the ground so when that final volley gets me I hit the ground before i blow up and therefore I 'Suicide'
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:48:00 -
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.26 14:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well. Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight. And I have no regrets either.
so you're proud of almost killing the most SP intensive role in this game, making it to where only the absolute best are viable PC fighters, and newer pilots without 20mil SP are mercilessly gunned down with no defense (not exactly the fault of AV community, but still)
yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.10.26 14:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well. Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight. And I have no regrets either. Of course you have no regrets, you're almost single-handedly getting this turned into a Call of Duty copy. That's me actually ;)
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.26 14:43:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:
so you're proud of almost killing the most SP intensive role in this game, making it to where only the absolute best are viable PC fighters, and newer pilots without 20mil SP are mercilessly gunned down with no defense (not exactly the fault of AV community, but still)
yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed.
In PC Assault Dropships are all but dead, and still used frequently. They haven't been killed off, nor have they "almost" been killed off. In PUBs, ADSs aren't see as much due to the fact that everyone now have AV <--- No regrets there either.
As for almost killing "the most SP intensive role in this game", I didn't have anything to do with Logistics being "killed off", nor did I (or would I) have anything to do with AV being "killed off".
Derrith Erador wrote:yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed
You won't kill anything by simply holding and releasing R1, unless your fighting a parked vehicle.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2014.10.26 15:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
so you're proud of almost killing the most SP intensive role in this game, making it to where only the absolute best are viable PC fighters, and newer pilots without 20mil SP are mercilessly gunned down with no defense (not exactly the fault of AV community, but still)
yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed.
In PC Assault Dropships are all but dead, and still used frequently. They haven't been killed off, nor have they "almost" been killed off. In PUBs, ADSs aren't see as much due to the fact that everyone now have AV <--- No regrets there either. As for almost killing "the most SP intensive role in this game", I didn't have anything to do with Logistics being "killed off", nor did I (or would I) have anything to do with AV being "killed off". Derrith Erador wrote:yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed You won't kill anything by simply holding and releasing R1, unless your fighting a parked vehicle.
You don't play PC, so how would you know? You complained about vehicles in ambush, that tells me all I need to know about your opinion. IE, you're full of it.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.26 17:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
so you're proud of almost killing the most SP intensive role in this game, making it to where only the absolute best are viable PC fighters, and newer pilots without 20mil SP are mercilessly gunned down with no defense (not exactly the fault of AV community, but still)
yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed.
In PC Assault Dropships are all but dead, and still used frequently. They haven't been killed off, nor have they "almost" been killed off. In PUBs, ADSs aren't see as much due to the fact that everyone now have AV <--- No regrets there either. As for almost killing "the most SP intensive role in this game", I didn't have anything to do with Logistics being "killed off", nor did I (or would I) have anything to do with AV being "killed off". Derrith Erador wrote:yet your craft of holding r1 for 1.4 to 1.05 seconds remains alive, well, and thoroughly spammed You won't kill anything by simply holding and releasing R1, unless your fighting a parked vehicle.
Really? Logis huh? I guess you not being a pilot you wouldn't know that the suit inside the cockpit matters.
Lets take a look at what logis need to skill into:
Logi suit
scanners
rep tools
uplinks
hives
armor repair
armor plates
armor buff
shield extenders (depending on the logi, rechargers and regulators)
shield buff
Core upgrades
dropsuit engineering
dropsuit electronics
light weapon
grenades
I'm probably missing a few, but lets take a look at what pilots need for their dropsuit
dropsuit
uplinks
hives
armor repair
armor plates
armor buff
shield extenders
shield buff
Core upgrades
dropsuit engineering
dropsuit electronics
depending on the suit, codebreakers are a must (min scout makes a good pilot suit for speed hacks, gotta care about the objective at some point)
Precision enhancers
Range amplifiers
light weapon (long range weaponry helps our rendering)
sidearm weapons
grenades (fluxes)
Now let's check what we need for the ADS
Shield fitting OP (admittedly, not that big an issue, wish it was TBH)
Armor fitting OP
Armor repair efficiency
Armor plates/reps
Armor movement reduction (forget the name)
Shield modules
Shield passive regen charge (again,forget the name, but it reduces shield recharge time)
Python ROF
Incubus ROF
dropship skill
ADS skill itself
the AB skill (still forgot the name)
Core grid management
if you're a fan of hardeners, engine core calibration is good
Vehicle engineering
small turret operation
missile turret operation
missile turret proficiency (admitted, only lvl 3 needed)
missile turret fitting OP (in a theory, you can run the best python fit with maxed out fitting OP)
Missile reload speed (most important skill infact)
rail turret operation
rail turret reload speed
rail turret ammo capacity (it runs out rather quickly without)
You'll probably say something like your ground suit is taking other roles from other suits. Half true, but allow me a few questions before you say something along those lines
Can the logi suit grow wings and fly to throw links on the high ground, then rain unholy hell upon the enemy ground troops with his rifle, while still flying? If he can, I'll be retiring.
Can the Amarr scout you'd use to scan survive an HMG burst? I'd wager no.
Can the Min scout you'd use to hack a point throw a 2 ton flying machine in front of a point to cover his hack? perhaps, but it'd take a heck of a lot longer without an ADS.
Can a properly fitted pilot suit, if shot down, survive a barrage from any rifle without the help of armor plates and shield extenders? Hell no, as it is, my pilot suit has the protection of a great value condom.
I skilled into all my ground skills to compliment my ADS and work in tandem with her, along with the others which are there in the event I'm downed and need to defend myself. You skilled into your minmando to work in tandem with your swarms, how is my skill tree any different?
And on the you can't kill vehicles unless they're parked, this must explain why I was shot down multiple times by swarms while flying at 120 meters a second, because I was parked there.
R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
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Posted - 2014.10.26 21:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:I'm sure CCP also keeps data on ADS Destructions as well. Usage too, which you had a major hand in reducing overnight. And I have no regrets either.
Haha well so much for you being "fair and balanced" bout as much as fox news.
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CommanderBolt
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Posted - 2014.10.26 22:34:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:Word back from Rattati is that it's likely that you got hit by your own DS. Happens a lot apparently. You wouldn't know because you don't fly.
I don't always agree with you Mr. Spkr, however this is a very accurate point. I think you find that a lot of people that give commentary on dropships rarely fly them or understand them.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.27 02:39:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:
Haha well so much for you being "fair and balanced" bout as much as fox news.
I do strive for "fair and balanced" gameplay.
However, I still have no regrets about reducing the ADS's usage. Mainly because a large amount of those who were using them were only doing so because they were overpowered.
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
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Posted - 2014.10.27 03:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:
Haha well so much for you being "fair and balanced" bout as much as fox news.
I do strive for "fair and balanced" gameplay. However, I still have no regrets about reducing the ADS's usage. Mainly because a large amount of those who were using them were only doing so because they were overpowered. I understand your heart was in the right place, and I might have welcomed the swarm buff had they not nerfed dropships so hard but right now dropships have pretty much lost their role. Do you find the engagements fun now? Because honestly when swarms hit me or I even hear them I leave, probably before they get any wp.
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.27 04:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:
Haha well so much for you being "fair and balanced" bout as much as fox news.
I do strive for "fair and balanced" gameplay. However, I still have no regrets about reducing the ADS's usage. Mainly because a large amount of those who were using them were only doing so because they were overpowered.
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