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hfderrtgvcd 881	Posted - 2014.10.19 22:43:00 - [1] - Quote caldari: 10% reduction to charge time per level gallente: 5% reduction to damage fall off You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 889	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:04:00 - [2] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Role: caldari/gal assault Caldari bonus: 2% reduction to kick feed back per level for hybrid ( rail) weaponry, 5% reduction to charge up time per level for hybrid (rail) weaponry. Gal bonus: 2% rate of fire increase per level hybrid (blaster) weaponry, 5% reduction to fall off damage per level for hybrid (blaster) weaponry. Or something like that. would be overpowered You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 890	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Role: caldari/gal assault Caldari bonus: 2% reduction to kick feed back per level for hybrid ( rail) weaponry, 5% reduction to charge up time per level for hybrid (rail) weaponry. Gal bonus: 2% rate of fire increase per level hybrid (blaster) weaponry, 5% reduction to fall off damage per level for hybrid (blaster) weaponry. Or something like that. would be overpowered The combat rifle already does an excellent job of being over powered so bring the assault rifle to a closer level to it won't matter to much. before the hot fixes I would agree with you. Now the assault rifle is better in almost every way. More dps, more balanced damage profile, more damage per clip all for a very small range difference. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 891	Posted - 2014.10.20 01:54:00 - [4] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Like if they increased rr charge time then gave cal assault a bonus that negated that increase wouldnt that just **** of gallente and caldari assault users since you're basically nerfing their suit You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 902	Posted - 2014.10.20 19:47:00 - [5] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Brain Storming wrote: Gal Assault +5% per level to OPTIMAL weapon range with Gal LWs (this would not alter any absolute range values only increase the portion of the weapons current range profile which is considered within its optimal range). Cal 10% per level reduction to charge time of Caldari weapons - This would include value for the MagSec - This would be a substantial buff to the charged sniper, but only applies to the assault suit so would create another sub-set of possible sniper play (numbers/degrees would need some evaluation) Alternate Cal suggestion X% improvement to hipfire per level - This would make tac sniping more viable - This is intended to happen hand in hand with INCREASED hipfire kick (or dispersion) on the RR to reduce its general CQC application (this is a change that is already being looked into as RR is not supposed to be a strong CQC weapon) - This would allow another method to touch up the Bolt Pistol by increasing its base spread while still allowing for high levels of function at max assault skills Current roughed out idea(s) from conversations so far (I'm still catching up on the thread since I posted it right before I left for work yesterday). I am interesting in perceptions on this (and of course feel free to continue to put forth other ideas). Cheers, Cross This would make the Charge Sniper so OP it renders all sniper rifles useless. Besides the real drawback of rail weaponry is kick and its inability to sustain fire in a accurate manner. Not charge up time imho EDIT All caldari suits proto. First proto suit was assault I have not sniped in any meaningful way since beta, please elaborate. o7 basically doubles the dps of the charge sniper You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 903	Posted - 2014.10.20 20:14:00 - [6] - Quote while we're talking about assault bonuses, shouldn't the minmatar assault bonus also benefit mass drivers and flaylocks? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
hfderrtgvcd 920	Posted - 2014.10.20 22:49:00 - [7] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: CeeJ Mantis wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Honestly, even the Amarr bonus which works well generally speaking, falls a bit short in that it does nothing for their side arms. Don't ScPs have subtle heat buildup like the plasma rifle? I think I heard that it can seize up if fired repeatedly. Haven't run into that specifically though ans I haven't the skills for the ammo capacity required to make it work. If so, and the Amarr assault bonus applies to it, then that sounds useful enough to me. They don't afaik. And that segues nicely into 2 questions I have. (Disclaimer: I only run Amarr assault to have fun with laz0rs. I have not used the Cal assault in a long long time, since I got my Templar BPO there was no need to use the Dragonfly assault anymore. Same with Gal. I used to use the AR all the time, like everyone, but not for a while now) 1)Gallente and Caldari have by far the most diverse collection of weapons in the game. I therefore donGÇÖt get why a bonus that does not help all of them is a major problem. Example: The Amarr assault bonus only helps TWO weapons (We only have 3, 4 if you count the now-useless AScR). ThatGÇÖs not a valid reason to not use a particular bonus. This is a minor point, but to keep this discussion on track it really should not be forgotten. 2)Why exactly do we have to buff the AR to the point that it would become a viable option to go up against an HMG in CQC? IMO, the point of the AR should be to destroy anyone using a different light weapon in CQC. HMG vs AR should be no contest as the assault is more mobile. One other thing, which I think is what morte was getting at: The RR is a dominant weapon, it doesnGÇÖt need a whole lot of help, unlike the AR. Why not GÇ£adjustGÇ¥ it to the point it becomes similar to the ScR (would still better than the LR) where it works OK on another suit, but if you really want to make it shine, you need to use the Cal assault? Meaning, increase the BASE charge up time, but with a Cal assault, the charge up time is still LOWER than it is now. Why is that such a horrible idea? I'm not trying to be an a$$ here, and I acknowlege I have nothing to gain or lose from this, but I'm just curious why these things are or are not part of the discussion. I'm curious about some more detailed discussion on the pros and cons of this^ Anyone care to wade in and provide some 'line by line' analysis? I almost completely agree. Another thing is, if you ignore the bonuses, the gallente and caldari assault suits are far better than the amarr and minmatar. The bonus balances them out imo You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

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