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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:13:00 -
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So yesterday I was playing a game. A guy on the other team was using a python, me and a couple of squadmates were using forge guns. I was up on the roof of one of the little warehouses (building with 4 ladders at each corner with the 4 little humps on top).
The python kept coming down and attacking me over and over, literally hovering 10 feet from me for long enough for me to hit it three times with my forge gun.
Then he would afterburn/shield boost away and my last shot would hit but not kill him due to the shield boost.
He did this over and over again, he was apparently having some issues with aiming because he rarely hit me, but I have no doubt he would have killed me over and over if he could fix his terrible aim. Eventually right before the match ended he just squished me against the side of one of the humps and killed me.
If anyone actually believes ADS still arent overpowered when an ADS can literally hover point blank in front of the unit that is designed to counter it, and tank every shot the guy puts into it, then just fly away scott free... well... if you still think its underpowered, I have news: Its not the ADS, its you. You suck.
Every vehicle has this feature: it is entirely the pilot's decision to be killed. You can escape any time and there is little to nothing any infantry can do about it. The only thing that will for sure stop a vehicle is a massive overwhelming alpha strike. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:So yesterday I was playing a game. A guy on the other team was using a python, me and a couple of squadmates were using forge guns. I was up on the roof of one of the little warehouses (building with 4 ladders at each corner with the 4 little humps on top).
The python kept coming down and attacking me over and over, literally hovering 10 feet from me for long enough for me to hit it three times with my forge gun.
Then he would afterburn/shield boost away and my last shot would hit but not kill him due to the shield boost.
He did this over and over again, he was apparently having some issues with aiming because he rarely hit me, but I have no doubt he would have killed me over and over if he could fix his terrible aim. Eventually right before the match ended he just squished me against the side of one of the humps and killed me.
If anyone actually believes ADS still arent overpowered when an ADS can hover point blank in front of the unit that is designed to counter it, and tank every shot the guy puts into it, then just fly away scott free... well... if you still think its underpowered, I have news: Its not the ADS, its you. You suck.
Every vehicle has this feature: it is entirely the pilot's decision to be killed. You can escape any time and there is little to nothing any infantry can do about it. The only thing that will for sure stop a vehicle is a massive overwhelming alpha strike. Key word: Python. They've always been OP as **** because nothing does bonus damage to shields, and missiles are childs play to use. There's a reason Pythons are the go to ship for most pilots, new and old.
The same issue exists for Incubi, Grimsnes, and Myrons. The point is that in a fight between an AV player and a vehicle of any kind, it is 100% the vehicle pilot's fight to lose. There is no way for the AV guy to WIN the fight. They might drive the vehicle behind something or even drive him off the field, but that vehicle is not dead. Dead AV is a result of normal routine gameplay. Dead vehicles are the result of mistakes by the pilot. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:So yesterday I was playing a game. A guy on the other team was using a python, me and a couple of squadmates were using forge guns. I was up on the roof of one of the little warehouses (building with 4 ladders at each corner with the 4 little humps on top).
The python kept coming down and attacking me over and over, literally hovering 10 feet from me for long enough for me to hit it three times with my forge gun.
Then he would afterburn/shield boost away and my last shot would hit but not kill him due to the shield boost.
He did this over and over again, he was apparently having some issues with aiming because he rarely hit me, but I have no doubt he would have killed me over and over if he could fix his terrible aim. Eventually right before the match ended he just squished me against the side of one of the humps and killed me.
If anyone actually believes ADS still arent overpowered when an ADS can hover point blank in front of the unit that is designed to counter it, and tank every shot the guy puts into it, then just fly away scott free... well... if you still think its underpowered, I have news: Its not the ADS, its you. You suck.
Every vehicle has this feature: it is entirely the pilot's decision to be killed. You can escape any time and there is little to nothing any infantry can do about it. The only thing that will for sure stop a vehicle is a massive overwhelming alpha strike. Key word: Python. They've always been OP as **** because nothing does bonus damage to shields, and missiles are childs play to use. There's a reason Pythons are the go to ship for most pilots, new and old. The same issue exists for Incubi, Grimsnes, and Myrons. The point is that in a fight between an AV player and a vehicle of any kind, it is 100% the vehicle pilot's fight to lose. There is no way for the AV guy to WIN the fight. They might drive the vehicle behind something or even drive him off the field, but that vehicle is not dead. Dead AV is a result of normal routine gameplay. Dead vehicles are the result of mistakes by the pilot. Its a delicate thing to try to balance though because infantry will always outnumber vehicles, so if you make them easy to solo, suddenly it becomes mathematically impossible to survive the moment they start using teamwork. Also, lmao at ANYONE who can't down a standard dropship on their own terms
Why do you think standard dropships are easy to kill?
My experience is the same as with the ADS, badly driven ones are free points but well driven ones are invincible.
This is from both AV perspective on this character and from driving them on my vehicle alt.
And why do you think multiple AV shouldn't be able to steamroll vehicles?
AV is the direct in game counter to vehicles. It doesnt matter than "infantry" outnumbers vehicles, there are 16 people on each team. If vehicles are definitively better than infantry it creates an imbalance that cannot be resolved within a single match (in other words: vehicles are overpowered and you should always use them over infantry). AV SHOULD be able to kill vehicles, its the entire purpose of AV. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
75
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:32:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Atiim wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Incubus was never difficult to kill though. Without the RoF I see no way to fight double swarm commandos, instead the only option would be to hug the ceiling.
I wish my Assault suit could take on 2 Commandos head-on. Sadly it cannot, as I'll be obliterated due to the high DPS of their Commandos being focused directly at me. I don't see why your Dropship should be any different. Actually, in this specific example, you're Assault could kill both without issue.
Look guys, thoughtless bullshit! |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
75
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:RayRay James wrote:Atiim wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Incubus was never difficult to kill though. Without the RoF I see no way to fight double swarm commandos, instead the only option would be to hug the ceiling.
I wish my Assault suit could take on 2 Commandos head-on. Sadly it cannot, as I'll be obliterated due to the high DPS of their Commandos being focused directly at me. I don't see why your Dropship should be any different. Actually, in this specific example, you're Assault could kill both without issue. Look guys, thoughtless bullshit! Taking on 2 commandos with dual swarm launchers would be very easy with an assault suit.
You guys are talking about two different scenarios. You are talking about a commandos using 2 swarm launchers, and Atiim is talking about fighting 2 commandos who have anti infantry light weapons equipped.
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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:25:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:
Look guys, thoughtless bullshit!
Taking on 2 commandos with dual swarm launchers would be very easy with an assault suit. You guys are talking about two different scenarios. You are talking about a commandos using 2 swarm launchers, and Atiim is talking about fighting 2 commandos who have anti infantry light weapons equipped. Atiim never made that clarification. The original post was about dual-swarm commandos, Atiim responded about Commandos w/o clarifying. It was that lack of clarification that lead me to believe the same scenario existed in both comments. But if it's easier for you to be a pedantic prick, by all means, go ahead an continue insulting people on the internet. You'll feel better for it.
Just read what the guy said and apply 5 seconds of thought to it. If hes really talking about 2 double swarm commandos do you think hes saying they have a chance to mellee him to death? Clearly not. So with my brain organs I deduce he means 2 commandos with a non suicide AV fit (something with a rifle + swarm or some other combo).
Your reply was thoughtless, why reply to a post you arent even bothering to fully understand?
But I do love insulting people on the internet, Im hoping to win a medal someday. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
75
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:48:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:So, with Assault Dropships neutered, basic ships buffed for cheap easy suicides, and effortless AV repeatedly buffed, can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly the purpose is of Assault Dropships?
Judge, what happened man? Simple. My advice was overridden. My data dismissed. My opposition was vocal and noted. Thanks for the response Judge, you're literally the one player who's input I have any real respect for anymore. Not to say others don't deserve to be heard or anything, it's just you were always the voice of reason for us dedicated pilots who are few and far between, once you weed out the wannabes. Honestly, when I heard you stepped away from the game, I was happy for you. Then I heard it was for family reasons, and was less happy for you. I really hope that clears up for you guys, and that whatever game you choose to pour you focus into, you do well in. You will always be one of the greatest assets to us pilots, qnd if CCP / CPM can't see that, **** em. I put 3 weeks into research. Charts, Analysis....All was supplied. Are you aware that some people actually think in a game with monetary rewards and asset cost that a 35 KDR vs a 4 KDR is actually an indication of imbalance! Anyone who cannot understand the flaw here needs to own up to skipping class. isk balancing is a terrible terrible idea.
Actually its a great idea, but its generally thought of in a backwards way. KDR should not be higher for more ISK used, KDR should be largely even for any single unit. What should happen is ISK cost of assets needs to be reduced for things that cant realistically be used long term with the KDR they have (which, again, should be largely even no matter what you are looking at) |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
75
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:57:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Atiim wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Incubus was never difficult to kill though. Without the RoF I see no way to fight double swarm commandos, instead the only option would be to hug the ceiling.
I wish my Assault suit could take on 2 Commandos head-on. Sadly it cannot, as I'll be obliterated due to the high DPS of their Commandos being focused directly at me. I don't see why your Dropship should be any different. One commando. From huge ranges. With no aim required by them, and high skill and sp required by the pilot. We always knew infantry would ruin vehicle play, it's just sad to see it finally happened -First you said you will never be back on this game after CCP go on computer with legion -I still see 3 ads on each side in PC and 0 assault dropsuit -Its a FPS so vehicule ruining infantry gameplay before this path -I still see good ADS result like 15-2, not like every ADS pilot with their 40-0 the previous patch and thinked they where good -since close beta DustFiend is only good at whining like a woman nothing more XD, never saw something positive from you .... An you are still... There! Funny , no? None of you have thinked about the poor infantry thst cant do nothing against you so you can kill them without they can defend themselves, you will say they can switch to AV, i will say you can switch on the ground when to many Aits fair, honest and legit now go whining elsewhere im tired of your lack of logic already
Dont be so insulting to women ;d |
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