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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.17 22:25:00 -
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dispersion is going to make or break the gun.
at it's max optimal it's utter sh*t because of the dispersion.
any closer use a boundless, you'll do it faster.
Bluntly the assault HMG needs to shoot as far as a battle rifle, have tight dispersion, expanding instead of tightening reticle and lower heat build to compensate for the lukewarm damage output.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.18 07:59:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Well, Assault variants of already full auto weapons typically means faster RoF with lower damage per shot, with an overall slight boost in DPS, but a smaller amount of damage per mag.
Take normal HMG:
Cut Damage by 15%
Increase RoF by 25%
Reduce magazine to 90%
Bam! Assault HMG!
Ask for a Breach HMG if you want a longer ranged HMG. Basically it would be a Hipfire only ACR with a massive magazine.
Proto hmg damage per shot: 19.8 if I recall. It increases by .9 at each tier.
The assault stops at 15 per shot as a rough because I cannot remember for sure.
That's 75% less than the boundless in raw DPS. Let's not increase that.
But let's put the range at rifle levels and significantly drop the dispersion and you get a suppression weapon that everyone wanted the HMG to be.
Drop the heat build to the old HMG values and drop the vehicle efficacy to 5% so it's clearly infantry suppression and then tweak it until it performs overall as a weapon should be.
But the assault damage needs to have that significant drop from the standard HMG that it already has. It should compete with rifles at range and get torn up in CQC. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.18 14:12:00 -
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I was thinking the AR ranges would be sufficient.
Plus it overheats.
On second thought with the huge drum magazine keep the heat at standard level or so.
Dropping it back might creste performance artifacting when compared to the battle rifles.
Overheat needs to be a real worry with the HMG. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:25:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:I was thinking the AR ranges would be sufficient.
Plus it overheats.
On second thought with the huge drum magazine keep the heat at standard level or so.
Dropping it back might creste performance artifacting when compared to the battle rifles.
Overheat needs to be a real worry with the HMG. It takes a lot longer to kill stuff with the Assault HMG than with a Standard, so you canGÇÖt have too much heat buildup or it could gimp the gun. Of all the variants I feel the Assault HMG should have the least heat buildup, as it has by far the least DPS.
Here are my thoughts on Heat Buildup for the regular HMG. Current Heat Buildup per Second:Militia HMG: 23.5 Standard HMG: 16 Advanced HMG: 15.2 Prototype HMG: 14.4 Officer HMG: 12.8 My Proposed Heat Buildup per Second for Echo: Militia HMG: 26 Standard HMG: 20 Advanced HMG: 18 Prototype HMG: 16 Officer HMG: 14 For those who donGÇÖt know what the numbers mean, I am calling for a nerf for the regular HMG. Not a big nerf, but one that would make them a little more fun for skilled Sentinels, and a little less easy for those who are not dedicated to the Class.
christ on a crutch no.
Those heat buildup numbers are way too high, that is NOT a small nerf. the militia POS overheats after 100 rounds and that'll put the basic right behind it. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.19 12:05:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I only occasionally overheat the Militia HMG and I run it quite a lot. What I am proposing for the Standard HMG is 3.5 less heat buildup than the Militia HMG has now. I really donGÇÖt think it will be a problem once people get used to it.
The Militia is not supposed to be great. Right now I always use a Militia instead of a Standard. The drawbacks of the Militia are not significant enough to make me want to run Standard.
there's no reason for it besides your assertion that it will be "more fun for experienced sentinels," which is bullsh*t.
the only thing that has is stopping power. that's it's only advantage. it overheats, has **** range and fits on a moving target. Making it easier to dogpile sentinels in CQC and less risky to do so will not make it more balanced or more fun.
If you gotta cook up nerfs for something, nerf the logi/sentinel leash team. Don't touch my freaking gun again. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.19 14:37:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:I only occasionally overheat the Militia HMG and I run it quite a lot. What I am proposing for the Standard HMG is 3.5 less heat buildup than the Militia HMG has now. I really donGÇÖt think it will be a problem once people get used to it.
The Militia is not supposed to be great. Right now I always use a Militia instead of a Standard. The drawbacks of the Militia are not significant enough to make me want to run Standard.
there's no reason for it besides your assertion that it will be "more fun for experienced sentinels," which is bullsh*t. the only thing that has is stopping power. that's it's only advantage. it overheats, has **** range and fits on a moving target. Making it easier to dogpile sentinels in CQC and less risky to do so will not make it more balanced or more fun. If you gotta cook up nerfs for something, nerf the logi/sentinel leash team. Don't touch my freaking gun again. Well the other reason is that the regular HMG is so easy to use that anyone can do it. It is hard to get any respect as an HMG Sentinel, as people just think you have taken the easy way. I also think this ease of use is making it very popular and that there are more HMG Sentinels on the field than there should be. I would like to see the HMG require a bit more thought to use, while keeping it powerful in the right hands.
Wanting respect is not valid reason for nerf. you're looking for respect from the dust community. therein lies your first mistake. |
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