it was in the Barbershop, and something like that is happening. Not zero, but cloaked scouts will not be able to know where everyone is in a 30m radius and pick the most vulnerable target or provide passive scans for their squad while cloaked. Cloak has been too risk-free since 1.8 and you all know how we feel about risk free playstyles.

I think there should be a penetration variant that lasts much longer, but has a longer delay before you can fire. Would be used for crossing open areas and getting behind enemy lines, rather than as a combat aid.

This is sarcasm right?

I mean what could be useful about being VERY hard to see (conditionally) and not showing up on any visual tacnets.... along with a stacking free 10% dampener?

There is a reason why you even see some people trying to shoe-horn cloaks onto non-scouts, and it isn't because they suck.

Cloak Fields are Caldari, not Gallente.

You know scouts can run at around 8 meters per second right? And even the worst cloak lasts 15 seconds. Simple math gives you 15*8 = area you can penetrate = 120m area.

Even if you walked to your target you could get 15*5 meters away, which is 75m. Again this is with the WORST cloak. The advanced cloak gives you twice as much time (240/150 meters) and the proto gives you 10 seconds more on top of that.

Just a quick tip: making claims that are trivially disprovable with simple math doesn't make your claims more believable and likely to be considered, it just makes you look like an uninformed and probably biased idiot.

I actually have a number of scout fits I use quite often, most of the time I use my scout ak.0 when I get sick and tired of getting shotgunned by invisible cloaked scouts. You know, best counter to a cloaked scout is another one.

How in the hell would you fit a proto cloak on a larger frame....?

I'm guessing that anyone who doesn't agree with your position is automatically labeled not a scout in your book? How very scout-community like. On top of that you have no idea how long any of the cloaks last for.

Did you really say *only* 30 seconds(proto is 40... do you even scout?)... like as in only enough time to cover 300 meters? Or only 30 seconds (like as in advanced) which is still enough time to cover 200+ meters?

Also, 15 seconds of cloak is more than enough for me on my basic suits.

Finally, that 5-10% of cloak makes a huge difference. A 5% cloak will get you under 20 DB (19db) with 1 damp on a cal/gal suit, that means you avoid a everything except for amarr scout w/ 2 enhancers and a proto focused scanner.

Penetrate doesnt mean circumnavigate. If you honestly cant operate around a 30m area in the cloaking time available, then maybe you do need cloak to be better to compete. You can literally cross the diameter of the area you are talking about 4 times over before running out of cloak, so even if you DID mean run entirely around the area you absolutely can do that and more.

what if the cloak changed?

the faster u move the easier your are to see or spot.

or is that already in? if it is it needs to be improved.

then a again i already spotted cloaked scout running straight towards me yesterday. was such an easy rail turret kill..

and the way he flew!.. i suppose its his fault for running in a straight line.