DUST Search - So will 1.9 remove shared passive scans?

el OPERATOR wrote:

Cavani1EE7 wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

The best logi suit I've ever run was the pre-nerf Cal Scout with passive scans and a rep tool in PC.

Yeah logi-CalScouts were pretty common and very efficent when they had the precision bonus

My Corp fielded a ringer "friend of a friend" who when asked said they ran CalScout. The individual was placed with a squad and about 3 minutes into the match I found them at my elbow repping my squad heavies with me, in our location. Several times I told this person to rejoin their squad, which was tasked with taking a nearby objective and having a very hard time doing so, but they were unresponsive. We ultimately lost the match on inability to secure our primary goals, and the ringer went top of the board.
In alliance chat the person raved about having done super well in pc and when asked all I could say was, yes you did fine. In reality, that CalScout was integral to our loss. The squad he'd been assigned to, to be a scout for and provide scans/flanking fire? Murdalized. The point his squad had been assigned to? Red the vast majority of the game. And the OBs that could've been sent to help that squad? Never acquired, since he soaked the points for himself and his squad total from what would have been available to me and my squad total effectively eliminating OBs from either squad.
Moral of the story? That particular CalScout "logi" was trash, as was the pc experience with him (or her).

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Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4061	Posted - 2014.10.16 14:18:00 - [1] - Quote id also like to see precision, range and damps bonuses for scouts be tied to the modules(someone suggested that awhile ago and it's stuck in my head) Scouts can still get a eWar bonus, but toned down to match the new skill bonus. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4956	Posted - 2014.10.16 14:35:00 - [2] - Quote If you remove shared scans there won't really be a point in changing the bonuses. You would just have 100% scouts everywhere you'd look. Those too stubborn to run a scout would get farmed ruthlessly. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3656	Posted - 2014.10.16 14:38:00 - [3] - Quote For removal of shared scans to be viable the entire ewar system needs to be reworked for precisely the reason odinson states.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2286	Posted - 2014.10.16 14:57:00 - [4] - Quote I hope not. Dust was real! I was there! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4061	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:05:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If you remove shared scans there won't really be a point in changing the bonuses. You would just have 100% scouts everywhere you'd look. Those too stubborn to run a scout would get farmed ruthlessly. I meant one or the other. Sorry about that. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4963	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:52:00 - [6] - Quote I think applying bonuses to modules would help. I also think making it so a medium frame with a complex precision enhancer be able to pick up a scout with no modules would be great. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4063	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:03:00 - [7] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think applying bonuses to modules would help. I also think making it so a medium frame with a complex precision enhancer be able to pick up a scout with no modules would be great. Yes, It is kind of pointless at this point. The thing is, it would be ok if the system still worked the way it did in the past. A scout was spongy and was dead if he was caught and couldn't react in time. So the scout being invisible was fair. With the way things are now, a scout is pretty much on par with a assault with how long it can survive(they can't get a decent chunk of ehp and plates just make them as slow as a assault suit, mix the smaller hit box and higher recharge rate and the fight isn't so one sided) Of course I want my old Gallente to be good, but I just want every suit to have a role it can perform better then others. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4969	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote The best logi suit I've ever run was the pre-nerf Cal Scout with passive scans and a rep tool in PC. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.10.16 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The best logi suit I've ever run was the pre-nerf Cal Scout with passive scans and a rep tool in PC. Yeah logi-CalScouts were pretty common and very efficent when they had the precision bonus Take a bow
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2014.10.16 18:16:00 - [10] - Quote So, maybe I'm an idiot, but what if we kept shared passive scans, but had it enabled by an equipment module? Like, you can only have a shared passive scan if you equip a "scan data link" equipment mod or something. Does that have potential?

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 120	Posted - 2014.10.16 18:29:00 - [11] - Quote I do hope they remove the directional indacator though from passive New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 122	Posted - 2014.10.16 18:29:00 - [12] - Quote I do hope they remove the directional indacator though from passive New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2192	Posted - 2014.10.16 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote Victor Moody Stahl wrote: So, maybe I'm an idiot, but what if we kept shared passive scans, but had it enabled by an equipment module? Like, you can only have a shared passive scan if you equip a "scan data link" equipment mod or something. Does that have potential? This makes way too much sense. The Universe is hostile, so impersonal Devour to survive So it is, so it's always been....
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4065	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:44:00 - [14] - Quote Victor Moody Stahl wrote: So, maybe I'm an idiot, but what if we kept shared passive scans, but had it enabled by an equipment module? Like, you can only have a shared passive scan if you equip a "scan data link" equipment mod or something. Does that have potential? I Think it does, but it would have to be balanced vs the scanner. The module would have to have a very low fitting cost(since you will still have to use modules to gain range/precision) and perhaps a drawback, such as it raising your profile slightly. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 829	Posted - 2014.10.16 19:59:00 - [15] - Quote Victor Moody Stahl wrote: So, maybe I'm an idiot, but what if we kept shared passive scans, but had it enabled by an equipment module? Like, you can only have a shared passive scan if you equip a "scan data link" equipment mod or something. Does that have potential? I went back in time to suggest it, cuz it was such a great idea. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.10.16 20:09:00 - [16] - Quote I'm slightly shocked that one of the first ideas I have that I share is legitimately good. The-Errorist wrote: I went back in time to suggest it, cuz it was such a great idea. I honestly never saw that before. However, I think that great minds think alike.... Of course, given the recent changes to scouts, I'd say that this would be best implemented as an equipment mod. This then gives more of a teamplay dynamic to scouts- fitting such a device gives shared passive scan to your squad, but requires you to sacrifice the cloak if you want nanos/REs/links or vice versa. I like well-designed tradeoffs. This is why I don't really like Ganjas right now. (a built-in damping bonus and four lows? That's totally a good idea.)
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4066	Posted - 2014.10.17 13:46:00 - [17] - Quote Updated OP. I still don't like heavies with super scans. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4071	Posted - 2014.10.19 16:12:00 - [18] - Quote No? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.10.23 20:27:00 - [19] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: The best logi suit I've ever run was the pre-nerf Cal Scout with passive scans and a rep tool in PC. Yeah logi-CalScouts were pretty common and very efficent when they had the precision bonus My Corp fielded a ringer "friend of a friend" who when asked said they ran CalScout. The individual was placed with a squad and about 3 minutes into the match I found them at my elbow repping my squad heavies with me, in our location. Several times I told this person to rejoin their squad, which was tasked with taking a nearby objective and having a very hard time doing so, but they were unresponsive. We ultimately lost the match on inability to secure our primary goals, and the ringer went top of the board. In alliance chat the person raved about having done super well in pc and when asked all I could say was, yes you did fine. In reality, that CalScout was integral to our loss. The squad he'd been assigned to, to be a scout for and provide scans/flanking fire? Murdalized. The point his squad had been assigned to? Red the vast majority of the game. And the OBs that could've been sent to help that squad? Never acquired, since he soaked the points for himself and his squad total from what would have been available to me and my squad total effectively eliminating OBs from either squad. Moral of the story? That particular CalScout "logi" was trash, as was the pc experience with him (or her). Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
hfderrtgvcd 973	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: The best logi suit I've ever run was the pre-nerf Cal Scout with passive scans and a rep tool in PC. Yeah logi-CalScouts were pretty common and very efficent when they had the precision bonus My Corp fielded a ringer "friend of a friend" who when asked said they ran CalScout. The individual was placed with a squad and about 3 minutes into the match I found them at my elbow repping my squad heavies with me, in our location. Several times I told this person to rejoin their squad, which was tasked with taking a nearby objective and having a very hard time doing so, but they were unresponsive. We ultimately lost the match on inability to secure our primary goals, and the ringer went top of the board. In alliance chat the person raved about having done super well in pc and when asked all I could say was, yes you did fine. In reality, that CalScout was integral to our loss. The squad he'd been assigned to, to be a scout for and provide scans/flanking fire? Murdalized. The point his squad had been assigned to? Red the vast majority of the game. And the OBs that could've been sent to help that squad? Never acquired, since he soaked the points for himself and his squad total from what would have been available to me and my squad total effectively eliminating OBs from either squad. Moral of the story? That particular CalScout "logi" was trash, as was the pc experience with him (or her). gib names plox. Personally, the best logi I've ever played with was andy waffle with his cal scout. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.



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