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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5462	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:51:00 - [1] - Quote People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 214	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:00:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. I think thats not a problem matee boyo, you can still buy the stuff (factional, but still stuff). For me the main issue is basicaly i cant be in FW because from some reason scotty is stil an Ahole and dont want to send me in "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."*
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5462	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:02:00 - [3] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. I think thats not a problem matee boyo, you can still buy the stuff (factional, but still stuff). For me the main issue is basicaly i cant be in FW because from some reason scotty is stil an A*hole and dont want to send me in It's a problem if your fit isn't solely one faction. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 214	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:05:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. I think thats not a problem matee boyo, you can still buy the stuff (factional, but still stuff). For me the main issue is basicaly i cant be in FW because from some reason scotty is stil an Ahole and dont want to send me in It's a problem if your fit isn't solely one faction. Wait and what stopin' you from fightin' one fight for gallentean suit, second for Amarian rifle and third one for Caldari pistol Hell even after you can go back to public and make isk for rest of stuff what you usin' "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."*
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5406	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:08:00 - [5] - Quote I play it solely because it does not pay isk but lp points I already have isk don't need anymore. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
howard sanchez 970	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:10:00 - [6] - Quote I thought the design concept for FW was to make it a more risk prone game mode with the reward focused on an alternative currency (LP). Making it isk-free is a simple way to: 1) ensure players cannot operate only in FW (keeping churn between modes up), 2) create a soft barrier/gradient for more established/wealthy players, and thereby ensure a baseline value for LP (greater than isk). ...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13542	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. Then it would be a pub match, not a separate game mode, and not worth the time of day. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1011	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:15:00 - [8] - Quote I run FW roughly 90% of all time that I am on Dust. This is because I have tons of ISK and luckily my Amarr Frames can be fitted out ALMOST 100% with loyalty store gear. It would be nice if there was some other contracts similar to FW that paid in isk but that would probably divide the player base far too much leaving all 3 game modes having issues generating contracts. For now I love the fact that it only pays in LP. It keeps most people running pubs at some point while providing a game mode where you really think more about winning than trying to get WP to boost your payout.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 607	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:16:00 - [9] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. I think thats not a problem matee boyo, you can still buy the stuff (factional, but still stuff). For me the main issue is basicaly i cant be in FW because from some reason scotty is stil an Ahole and dont want to send me in What is it with the pirate stuff in every post* you make? Just curious. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 214	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:18:00 - [10] - Quote sabre prime wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. I think thats not a problem matee boyo, you can still buy the stuff (factional, but still stuff). For me the main issue is basicaly i cant be in FW because from some reason scotty is stil an Ahole and dont want to send me in What is it with the pirate stuff in every post* you make? Just curious. Just some small roleplay in game, nothing special boyo "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

howard sanchez 970	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:20:00 - [11] - Quote And, for what it's worth - the whole economic design sounds very good but ccp needed a player trade/market function to start the engine. Pubs= isk and lowered barriers to casual/low sp play Fw= LP and lowered barriers to squad/med sp play PC= ?(sov? Needed third alternative currency - eve trade?) lowered barrier to corporations/hi sp play A player to player trade function is needed to keep the economic gears moving between modes (pub,FW,pc). The reward for pc should be the financial link to eve via currency other than isk ( maybe associated with Planetary Interaction stuff). Then the games can connect and dust's economy can start up. Your welcome. ...
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 318	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:21:00 - [12] - Quote I am still of the opinion it needs a hybrid payout Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 561	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:22:00 - [13] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I run FW roughly 90% of all time that I am on Dust. This is because I have tons of ISK and luckily my Amarr Frames can be fitted out ALMOST 100% with loyalty store gear. It would be nice if there was some other contracts similar to FW that paid in isk but that would probably divide the player base far too much leaving all 3 game modes having issues generating contracts. For now I love the fact that it only pays in LP. It keeps most people running pubs at some point while providing a game mode where you really think more about winning than trying to get WP to boost your payout. Deezy, do you find friendly fire griefers in FW prevalent or no? Just curious. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5464	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:12:00 - [14] - Quote I was cool with LP stores because I thought we would be able to trade out items we didn't use but had available to us by the factions we played. When that turned out to not be possible because we got no player run market the LP stores seemed near useless to people like me who play with hybrid fits. The AV creed, "[i]We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard![/i]"
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5464	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:15:00 - [15] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: And, for what it's worth - the whole economic design sounds very good but ccp needed a player trade/market function to start the engine. Pubs= isk and lowered barriers to casual/low sp play Fw= LP and lowered barriers to squad/med sp play PC= ?(sov? Needed third alternative currency - eve trade?) lowered barrier to corporations/hi sp play A player to player trade function is needed to keep the economic gears moving between modes (pub,FW,pc). The reward for pc should be the financial link to eve via currency other than isk ( maybe associated with Planetary Interaction stuff). Then the games can connect and dust's economy can start up. Your welcome. I agree, the lack of a player market between the game modes and ultimately Dust and Eve were a direct reason on why Dust failed. The AV creed, "[i]We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard![/i]"
Vicious Minotaur 1214	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:18:00 - [16] - Quote I'd play it more if it didn't take me ~10 minutes to get into a single FW match. And, I'd be more inclined to wade through the awful wait times if the LP store provided a plethora of specialized, UNIQUE (that goes for color/skins as well) items unavailable anywhere else in-game. But no, just a generic proto gun with lower fittings and maybe a slightly superior racial EQ... I am a minotaur.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1982	Posted - 2014.10.15 03:09:00 - [17] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I'd play it more if it didn't take me ~10 minutes to get into a single FW match. And, I'd be more inclined to wade through the awful wait times if the LP store provided a plethora of specialized, UNIQUE (that goes for color/skins as well) items unavailable anywhere else in-game. But no, just a generic proto gun with lower fittings and maybe a slightly superior racial EQ... This. You hit the nail on the head. I wish they drew from their experience with EVE Online and offered more unique items. Different colours, different side grades, straight up better mods etc... They started to go down that path with the better racial equipment but that's it. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9025	Posted - 2014.10.15 03:21:00 - [18] - Quote I listed several methods to improve FW and get higher player counts. CCP responded saying not enough people play FW so it's not worth their time to fix it. I mean, that would be like saying "Not enough people use this dropsuit so let's not waste our time fixing it." CCP completely misses the point, as usual. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2581	Posted - 2014.10.15 03:40:00 - [19] - Quote Or we could add specialist drop suits and weapons of all kinds that would have reduced CPU/PG usage/more CPU/PG Also, maybe we could make officer weapons available for ludicrous (like 7,000-10,000 LP) prices, once they're released. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1084	Posted - 2014.10.15 05:14:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. it pays in LP.. a proto suit for 8k and 155LP is a steal when they are like 50k+ for winmatar i get my.. republic logi mk.o boundless triage 90hp/s dual beam complex shield mods boundless CR all from FW and it saves me a tone of isk downside is fw dosnt run often because its not worth running it if your mostlikly going to lose which happens most of the time for caldari.. and some of the time for amarr #1 gallente #2 mimatar #3 amarr #4 caldari there is a massive gap between #2 and #3 in terms of win % where as gallente have all but 6 systems in fw last i heard we need more incentives to sign up on the loseing side so players dont have to wait 20 mins on the winning side just to get a game [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Taskanoss IMPERIAL INFANTRY GROUP 5	Posted - 2014.10.15 05:44:00 - [21] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I run FW roughly 90% of all time that I am on Dust. This is because I have tons of ISK and luckily my Amarr Frames can be fitted out ALMOST 100% with loyalty store gear. It would be nice if there was some other contracts similar to FW that paid in isk but that would probably divide the player base far too much leaving all 3 game modes having issues generating contracts. For now I love the fact that it only pays in LP. It keeps most people running pubs at some point while providing a game mode where you really think more about winning than trying to get WP to boost your payout. Deezy, do you find friendly fire griefers in FW prevalent or no? Just curious. Yesterday I saw something that made me smile. We were playing an AFW match, and this blueberry squad leader decides to drop an orbital on a couple of teammates. Well, let's just say it was a quick execution by my fellow squadmates for his stupidity. TL:DR Justice will be served to the team killers. I got your back Bro Beans!
Immortal John Ripper 25111	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:17:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. They should have left corp battles as corp battles and focused entirely on fw. Eve players heavily into fw would have loved this. Dust was like the younger brother screaming "please accept me" While eve players are saying "we don't care about you!" Devs needed to give them incentive and say.. hey things could be like this, you could gain this... If they gave eve players an incentive to want their younger brother then you would have thousands more people wanting the link. I am just saying that making payouts in isk is a poor idea to what fw actually could have been if they tried to do things right from the start. Why advertise this with wanting to make an eve link at all when it offers absolutely nothing to eve players. Dust ceo's had to pay $15 a month just to get eve support because no one in eve actually cared about us. This is entirely the developers fault on how they approached this. Not just dust devs but also eve dev's fault for not working harder to convince the eve base that this could turn out extremely well for eve players aswell. The rewards they get make many feel like it was a waste of time. Dear Diary - The thoughts of a madman.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 666	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:24:00 - [23] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I run FW roughly 90% of all time that I am on Dust. This is because I have tons of ISK and luckily my Amarr Frames can be fitted out ALMOST 100% with loyalty store gear. It would be nice if there was some other contracts similar to FW that paid in isk but that would probably divide the player base far too much leaving all 3 game modes having issues generating contracts. For now I love the fact that it only pays in LP. It keeps most people running pubs at some point while providing a game mode where you really think more about winning than trying to get WP to boost your payout. Deezy, do you find friendly fire griefers in FW prevalent or no? Just curious. You should have seen what happened to a friendly scout in a hallway the other day Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Nirwanda Vaughns 810	Posted - 2014.10.15 10:22:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. the initial idea is that with the often teased player market is players would trade factional stuff between each other to make up wthe isk. someone who was pure caldari could pu tthe wiyr injector onto player market so someone with high gallente could buy them for large amounts of isk and vice-versa. now though its just an idea thats not panned out and left FW a bit pointless Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5464	Posted - 2014.10.15 14:50:00 - [25] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. the initial idea is that with the often teased player market is players would trade factional stuff between each other to make up wthe isk. someone who was pure caldari could pu tthe wiyr injector onto player market so someone with high gallente could buy them for large amounts of isk and vice-versa. now though its just an idea thats not panned out and left FW a bit pointless Exactly. So FW should at least give the choice to choose either ISK or LP. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
Nirwanda Vaughns 811	Posted - 2014.10.15 15:09:00 - [26] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. the initial idea is that with the often teased player market is players would trade factional stuff between each other to make up wthe isk. someone who was pure caldari could pu tthe wiyr injector onto player market so someone with high gallente could buy them for large amounts of isk and vice-versa. now though its just an idea thats not panned out and left FW a bit pointless Exactly. So FW should at least give the choice to choose either ISK or LP. ot if teh devs put a sell function in assets. seeing as all prices are fixed we could goto assets, click X select sell and it gives us a fixed percentage of the items market price back so at least the stuff we get in salvage we can sell. it'd be the quickest and easiest option but so far the CPM have said it'd require a 'proper' patch because of change to the GUI so fingers crossed but the sell idea has been put in features section a lot in recent months Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5464	Posted - 2014.10.15 15:19:00 - [27] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: People would be a lot more inclined to play it. Just saying. the initial idea is that with the often teased player market is players would trade factional stuff between each other to make up wthe isk. someone who was pure caldari could pu tthe wiyr injector onto player market so someone with high gallente could buy them for large amounts of isk and vice-versa. now though its just an idea thats not panned out and left FW a bit pointless Exactly. So FW should at least give the choice to choose either ISK or LP. ot if teh devs put a sell function in assets. seeing as all prices are fixed we could goto assets, click X select sell and it gives us a fixed percentage of the items market price back so at least the stuff we get in salvage we can sell. it'd be the quickest and easiest option but so far the CPM have said it'd require a 'proper' patch because of change to the GUI so fingers crossed but the sell idea has been put in features section a lot in recent months Whatever works. The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 117	Posted - 2014.10.15 15:51:00 - [28] - Quote You really only have to exclude your main the opposing faction and that is only if you are assault or commando. If you try to go with only one faction it is hard to get matches otherwise its a lil slow. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 278	Posted - 2014.10.15 15:57:00 - [29] - Quote I think that's the main problem. People fail to realize that by playing one game of FW you can pick up 10 proto guns or 8 proto suits. The most you're getting is ISK for either three proto suits or guns in a pub match. I'm level 8 caladari with a booster I can pick up over 2000LP which nets me 20 KRRs or 14 proto suits for one game.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5485	Posted - 2014.10.17 03:10:00 - [30] - Quote CCP will fix this by allowing us to sell items to NPC's! Yes! The AV creed, "We don't do it because it's easy; we do it because it's hard!"



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