DUST Search - I hate the new sniper rifle specs

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

EMPTY SL0T wrote:

Sniper rifle head shots are pretty much luck, -- that or you have some noob standing perfectly still looking at the map.

At the range you are at when you zoom in, your view area (scope) is either very small and the target moves out of the scope very, very, very quickly (before you can get a shot off), or else you are far enough away that you tend to be trying to hit a single pixel for a head shot If you aren't far enough away, 29 out of 30 times there is some obstruction between you and any targets.

Yeah, I love sitting around a whole game waiting to have maybe 1 or 2 shots at any target. That does happen some games since the changes. Boring!

You guys that are bitching about snipers haven't trained one up and tried it.

If CCP doesn't want snipers in the game, just delete them.

I haven't played in several weeks because, like I said, it just isn't that much fun any more. Some of you don't care about that. Fine. If CCP doesn't care if it looses its players who like to snipe, so be it. I've played since early beta, so may be it's time to go.

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Is there some luck to Head shots? yes. But I would say skill > luck in this instance. Now, the idiot standing totally still? Everyone knows they deserve to get Gallaghered (+1 to anyone who gets that reference)

As for range, I am going to kindly disagree. Most of my sniping is around 100-200 meters. I am far enough away I don't have the uber speed where I can't keep up, but am close enough the enemy still is a decent size in my scope so I can aim for the head if I want to. As for obstruction, that is where picking and choosing your location comes into play.

Like my last comment, if you are sitting around the whole game waiting for 1 or 2 shots, that is location. You need to move into a place where you will have more of an opportunity to help your team. Yes, this means leaving the readline and making yourself vulnerable to being shot back.

Also, if the targets are that limited, why are you sitting in one place for an entire match? Get up, stretch your legs, and move around. Moving around and finding new locations is fairly essential if you want to really contribute (unless you are like SymbioticForks, but I am going to bet all my ISK you aren't, because there are only 3 or 4 snipers in the game at his level)

There is a difference between bitching about snipers in general, which I haven't really seen on this thread, and bitching about redline camping, stagnant, not contributing to the team Snipers, which is what you have basically described as your playstyle.

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EMPTY SL0T Algintal Core Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:56:00 - [1] - Quote Nerfed ranges suck. Nerfed shot delay time sucks. Just isn't very much fun to play any more. But hey, CCP has given up on Dust already anyway, right?
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1925	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:33:00 - [2] - Quote Not a fan of headshots, I take it? Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 422	Posted - 2014.10.14 22:13:00 - [3] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Not a fan of headshots, I take it? Or playing outside of the redline..
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 605	Posted - 2014.10.15 01:02:00 - [4] - Quote EMPTY SL0T wrote: Nerfed ranges suck. Nerfed shot delay time sucks. Just isn't very much fun to play any more. But hey, CCP has given up on Dust already anyway, right? I'm the opposite. I LOVE them. Charged sniper on a Pro Calmando with 2 complex damage mods. Stand still for a moment while I take your picture from 200 meters. As I click the shutter, your head explodes no matter WHAT suit your wearing. :) People bitching about the range nerf need to get over it. Have I been sniped by redline noobs since Delta dropped? Yep. What do I do? I find a position closer and return the favor because the possible hiding spots are a lot more obvious. No more hiding 200-300 meters in the redline if they want to contribute at all instead of just picking off stragglers. As for shot delay, haven't really found it to be an issue so I'll leave that one alone. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Dingleburt Bangledack 275	Posted - 2014.10.15 04:53:00 - [5] - Quote Quit your bitching, OP. You can still redline snipe just fine and now you can 1-2 shot any suit in the game if you stop spamming shots randomly and actually aim for the head. You have nothing to complain about.
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1160	Posted - 2014.10.15 05:18:00 - [6] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: EMPTY SL0T wrote: Nerfed ranges suck. Nerfed shot delay time sucks. Just isn't very much fun to play any more. But hey, CCP has given up on Dust already anyway, right? I'm the opposite. I LOVE them. Charged sniper on a Pro Calmando with 2 complex damage mods. Stand still for a moment while I take your picture from 200 meters. As I click the shutter, your head explodes no matter WHAT suit your wearing. :) People bitching about the range nerf need to get over it. Have I been sniped by redline noobs since Delta dropped? Yep. What do I do? I find a position closer and return the favor because the possible hiding spots are a lot more obvious. No more hiding 200-300 meters in the redline if they want to contribute at all instead of just picking off stragglers. As for shot delay, haven't really found it to be an issue so I'll leave that one alone. I prefer an amarr scout with 2x damps, 2 x range extender, 1 enhancer, 1 damage mod. Sure you can never take a shot from the same place twice... but it kinda feels like cheating. 1 sniper round will end you no matter who you are, so why not be able to see people trying to zero in on your from 60+ meters away.... Fixing EWAR
DJINN Jecture BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:09:00 - [7] - Quote TBH I am not a fan of the nerfed ranges either, nor am I a fan of the new pinpoint sight, as it is next to impossible to get the pinprick in the right spot at any range. With the range reduction on an essentially, I assume, 50 calibre hybrid rifle I would expect to get more range than say a 50 calibre gunpowder based weapon, the rifles should have longer ranges, the scopes still suck and it limits just how far you can be away anyways. The stupid part of the situation is that to get anywhere close to being able to cover half the map you need to use a Thales (in a pub match yet omg!) just to be somewhat useful in a match. I didn't lose any tonight surprisingly enough. The reason this is stupid is that there is no point in deploying with a charged sniper anymore as you get at max around 300 yds out of the most powerful non officer rifle in the game, where it should have the range to reach out and touch someone. 500 yards reach should be minimal range on any sniper rifle, not out past the max range of the guns. The immediate patch before the current build I really enjoyed the sniper sight, perhaps let us customize our reticles for our guns and let us decide what works best instead of changing it each patch please. How long til this hits PC?
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 200	Posted - 2014.10.15 15:57:00 - [8] - Quote The range feels a tiny bit too low, add 30-50 meters to all of them and I might snipe more often... 40 kills with the most basic, cheapest possible dual-wielding standard Bolt Pistol fit...
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 96	Posted - 2014.10.15 16:34:00 - [9] - Quote I'm a cloaked sniper....with nova knives.. And I am doing fine. So suck my ass=ƒÿålol jk. Isn't it like 400m range and zoom? I'd like 600 fo both and I'll be fine. I would also like to change the cross hairs on the kaalakiota tac as its just horrible. Give it the same as the rest of snipers. And pleases CCP consider variable zoom. At least on the standard sniper. Give the tac and charge a small zoom buff and let the std sniper change zoom levels. And ccp, how come you didn't include the prone position when making this game? That would be really helpful. Minmatar-assault combat rifle, flaylock pistol, tanked, quick. Before you know it..........your dead.......
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 86	Posted - 2014.10.15 16:39:00 - [10] - Quote EMPTY SL0T wrote: Nerfed ranges suck. Nerfed shot delay time sucks. Just isn't very much fun to play any more. But hey, CCP has given up on Dust already anyway, right? Ya, I totes get u. I liekd being 400m in redliin 2. My Tac is soooooo slow now 2 :( I meen, shur, I get 6 shots now from tree, butt who cares bout dat when u shoot sooooo slooowww?!?1 And the dmg & h3adsh0t buff are not gud enuf 4 me either cuz lez be on-est, I rly just wnt 2 b waaaaaay bach in the redline. Hopefully you can understand that, since that's what was going through my mind when I read your comment. Looking at this practically though, the nerfs are GREATLY overshadowed by the headshot, clip, and damage buffs. The gun now rewards skill more over being balls deep in the redline to kill. Only people who share your opinion from my experience are redline snipers. But hey, if you wanna quit, go ahead. One less nameless merc on the game doesn't matter to me and anyone really. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.

EMPTY SL0T Algintal Core Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:11:00 - [11] - Quote Sniper rifle head shots are pretty much luck, -- that or you have some noob standing perfectly still looking at the map. At the range you are at when you zoom in, your view area (scope) is either very small and the target moves out of the scope very, very, very quickly (before you can get a shot off), or else you are far enough away that you tend to be trying to hit a single pixel for a head shot If you aren't far enough away, 29 out of 30 times there is some obstruction between you and any targets. Yeah, I love sitting around a whole game waiting to have maybe 1 or 2 shots at any target. That does happen some games since the changes. Boring! You guys that are bitching about snipers haven't trained one up and tried it. If CCP doesn't want snipers in the game, just delete them. I haven't played in several weeks because, like I said, it just isn't that much fun any more. Some of you don't care about that. Fine. If CCP doesn't care if it looses its players who like to snipe, so be it. I've played since early beta, so may be it's time to go.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 700	Posted - 2014.11.21 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote EMPTY SL0T wrote: Sniper rifle head shots are pretty much luck, -- that or you have some noob standing perfectly still looking at the map. At the range you are at when you zoom in, your view area (scope) is either very small and the target moves out of the scope very, very, very quickly (before you can get a shot off), or else you are far enough away that you tend to be trying to hit a single pixel for a head shot If you aren't far enough away, 29 out of 30 times there is some obstruction between you and any targets. Yeah, I love sitting around a whole game waiting to have maybe 1 or 2 shots at any target. That does happen some games since the changes. Boring! You guys that are bitching about snipers haven't trained one up and tried it. If CCP doesn't want snipers in the game, just delete them. I haven't played in several weeks because, like I said, it just isn't that much fun any more. Some of you don't care about that. Fine. If CCP doesn't care if it looses its players who like to snipe, so be it. I've played since early beta, so may be it's time to go. Is there some luck to Head shots? yes. But I would say skill > luck in this instance. Now, the idiot standing totally still? Everyone knows they deserve to get Gallaghered (+1 to anyone who gets that reference) As for range, I am going to kindly disagree. Most of my sniping is around 100-200 meters. I am far enough away I don't have the uber speed where I can't keep up, but am close enough the enemy still is a decent size in my scope so I can aim for the head if I want to. As for obstruction, that is where picking and choosing your location comes into play. Like my last comment, if you are sitting around the whole game waiting for 1 or 2 shots, that is location. You need to move into a place where you will have more of an opportunity to help your team. Yes, this means leaving the readline and making yourself vulnerable to being shot back. Also, if the targets are that limited, why are you sitting in one place for an entire match? Get up, stretch your legs, and move around. Moving around and finding new locations is fairly essential if you want to really contribute (unless you are like SymbioticForks, but I am going to bet all my ISK you aren't, because there are only 3 or 4 snipers in the game at his level) There is a difference between bitching about snipers in general, which I haven't really seen on this thread, and bitching about redline camping, stagnant, not contributing to the team Snipers, which is what you have basically described as your playstyle. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2244	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:14:00 - [13] - Quote The redline lonely? Good.
Dauth Jenkins Tankers United Covert Intervention 565	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: EMPTY SL0T wrote: Sniper rifle head shots are pretty much luck, -- that or you have some noob standing perfectly still looking at the map. At the range you are at when you zoom in, your view area (scope) is either very small and the target moves out of the scope very, very, very quickly (before you can get a shot off), or else you are far enough away that you tend to be trying to hit a single pixel for a head shot If you aren't far enough away, 29 out of 30 times there is some obstruction between you and any targets. Yeah, I love sitting around a whole game waiting to have maybe 1 or 2 shots at any target. That does happen some games since the changes. Boring! You guys that are bitching about snipers haven't trained one up and tried it. If CCP doesn't want snipers in the game, just delete them. I haven't played in several weeks because, like I said, it just isn't that much fun any more. Some of you don't care about that. Fine. If CCP doesn't care if it looses its players who like to snipe, so be it. I've played since early beta, so may be it's time to go. Is there some luck to Head shots? yes. But I would say skill > luck in this instance. Now, the idiot standing totally still? Everyone knows they deserve to get Gallaghered (+1 to anyone who gets that reference) As for range, I am going to kindly disagree. Most of my sniping is around 100-200 meters. I am far enough away I don't have the uber speed where I can't keep up, but am close enough the enemy still is a decent size in my scope so I can aim for the head if I want to. As for obstruction, that is where picking and choosing your location comes into play. Like my last comment, if you are sitting around the whole game waiting for 1 or 2 shots, that is location. You need to move into a place where you will have more of an opportunity to help your team. Yes, this means leaving the readline and making yourself vulnerable to being shot back. Also, if the targets are that limited, why are you sitting in one place for an entire match? Get up, stretch your legs, and move around. Moving around and finding new locations is fairly essential if you want to really contribute (unless you are like SymbioticForks, but I am going to bet all my ISK you aren't, because there are only 3 or 4 snipers in the game at his level) There is a difference between bitching about snipers in general, which I haven't really seen on this thread, and bitching about redline camping, stagnant, not contributing to the team Snipers, which is what you have basically described as your playstyle. ive been killed more by snipers recently then i ever was before. Even in my tanked shield suits (high HP and Regen) i have to worry about snipers. although, to be honest, it depends on the map. some maps are just bad for snipers. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1322	Posted - 2014.11.22 02:58:00 - [15] - Quote Sniping is still viable imo. i went 13 and 2 in an AMB and im a bad sniper Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
EMPTY SL0T Algintal Core Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:26:00 - [16] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Is there some luck to Head shots? yes. But I would say skill > luck in this instance. Now, the idiot standing totally still? Everyone knows they deserve to get Gallaghered (+1 to anyone who gets that reference) >>Gallaghered Good one. I'm 66 so I remember him well. I'd say my average kill is between 250 to 350 m, but I do love to get those kills near 450 m... especially if they are a head shot kill. You're right, though, I do spend a fair amount of time running around trying to find better snip locations on certain maps. Some of them just SUCK for sniping. I sprint at about 10+ M/sec. Still I feel the game isn't as much fun as it was. My K/D ratio is about 9.0. It was getting near 10 before the nerf. So why don't I do something else? I tried that quite a bit in beta. For most all other weapons I'm too old and slow and my reaction time and hand/eye coordination suck compared to most young players. They are better than me. Period. I appreciate that and respect them for it. After all, I was almost 30 before in-home video games even existed! So, I do what I can do best, and that's sniping. Otherwise I find that I don't even make much of a challenging target. No country for old men. Empty
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 713	Posted - 2014.12.04 03:20:00 - [17] - Quote EMPTY SL0T wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Is there some luck to Head shots? yes. But I would say skill > luck in this instance. Now, the idiot standing totally still? Everyone knows they deserve to get Gallaghered (+1 to anyone who gets that reference) >>Gallaghered Good one. I'm 66 so I remember him well. I'd say my average kill is between 250 to 350 m, but I do love to get those kills near 450 m... especially if they are a head shot kill. You're right, though, I do spend a fair amount of time running around trying to find better snip locations on certain maps. Some of them just SUCK for sniping. I sprint at about 10+ M/sec. Still I feel the game isn't as much fun as it was. My K/D ratio is about 9.0. It was getting near 10 before the nerf. So why don't I do something else? I tried that quite a bit in beta. For most all other weapons I'm too old and slow and my reaction time and hand/eye coordination suck compared to most young players. They are better than me. Period. I appreciate that and respect them for it. After all, I was almost 30 before in-home video games even existed! So, I do what I can do best, and that's sniping. Otherwise I find that I don't even make much of a challenging target. No country for old men. Empty Yeah, those long head shots were always a lot of fun. I enjoyed the heck out of them, but I'm not too upset they went bye bye. As for doing something else, it is difficult to do. I saw my KDR go from a 5+ to under a 1 really quick like when I started playing around with CQC. I know I'm still not the best one out there and if I come across a great player one on one I pray I get the drop on him or I'm toast. However, I will admit, Sentinel with an HMG doesn't take a whole lot of coordination. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 674	Posted - 2014.12.04 04:06:00 - [18] - Quote Ever notice that the things people complain the most about (snipers, REs, cloak+shotgun) are always things that can't be solved by spamming a full-auto weapon in the general direction? Just because you can't Rambo something doesn't mean it's OP.


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