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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2014.10.13 19:30:00 -
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Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor.
So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple.
Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.10.13 19:41:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:You're done playing, stop commenting already.
In played about 4 hours ago. It's hard playing and typing on my phone at the same time.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor. So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple. Uh dude..... Vehicles in Starwars Battlefront utterly destroy Infantry......
Except for the fact that the AV infantry could quickly send vehicles away and destroy them VERY quickly if they hit them in their weak spot.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:38:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor. So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple. Uh dude..... Vehicles in Starwars Battlefront utterly destroy Infantry...... You have to understand this guy is probably a tanker, so going 50-1 is fair and balanced. I mean, vehicles in SW Battlefront can probably only go 25-1, what a horrible thought.
Actually, if you knew me you would know that my favorite class is AV and my first Proto weapon was the Swarm Launcher. Also I have 0 SP and 0 ISK in vehicles.
Also in SWBF my favorite class was the Rebel Vanguard. The guy with a lock on rocket Launcher that shot two rockets.
So what's that about me being a tanker?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:41:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor. So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple. its already hard for AV to take out vehicles.. apart from missile/blaster turret the rail turrets are useless against infantry except maybe light rails if the person is a good aim. so yeah.. go back to being silent.. if you do not actively play dust you do not have the right to comment on issues and topics at hand
I was one of the first players to coin the term dedicated AV. Alright, so I know the struggle.
I probably played this game longer than you have and let me remind everyone that I literally played a few hours ago.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor. So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple. Uh dude..... Vehicles in Starwars Battlefront utterly destroy Infantry...... You have to understand this guy is probably a tanker, so going 50-1 is fair and balanced. I mean, vehicles in SW Battlefront can probably only go 25-1, what a horrible thought. Actually, if you knew me you would know that my favorite class is AV and my first Proto weapon was the Swarm Launcher. Also I have 0 SP and 0 ISK in vehicles. Also in SWBF my favorite class was the Rebel Vanguard. The guy with a lock on rocket Launcher that shot two rockets. So what's that about me being a tanker? Fair enough but hell dude...... AT-AT's, AT-ST's, Droid Tanks, and Clone Tanks utterly annihilated infantry if used right. True, but AV quickly dispersed vehicles since they had the ability to free fire AND lock-on. So you basically had a Swarm Launcher and a Plasma Cannon in one. Also mines took out nearly half the health of tanks and destroyed speeders with just one mine.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:53:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
Primary problem is then vehicles have nothing to do in this game. Except kill other vehicles. If all vehicles do is kill vehicles, then there's no reason for anyone to field vehicles at all. Which hits on the point that vehicles are a completely broken and unfixable mechanic in DUST, and the best we can do, is try to make AV equal to vehicles in combat power.
Vehicles would still have the ability to transport people, provide spawn points and would continue to be able to provide fire support. It's just that they wouldn't be able to completely obliterate infantry in one swoop.
Basically I want to reduce the shear raw power that both vehicles and AV provide by reducing both their abilities to disperse damage. Though at the same time I want to increase the survivability of both infantry to vehicle attacks and vehicles to infantry attacks.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Yeah that's true....but then they glowed red didn't they?
Also had to watch out for those bloody wrist rockets and grenades. If one hit your weak point you were in trouble.
They only glowed red in SWBF2, in SWBF1 they were just dark circles with dark red dots in the middle. If you hid them on the grass or on walls/around corners they were practically impossible to see.
Anyways this is what I'm getting at. The game play was fair.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 21:59:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I think vehicles could use a little rethink along the lines of the OP.
Make tank main turrets purely AV (not effective versus infantry)
Make the secondary turrets effective anti-infantry
Make tanks take 2-3 AV'ers to kill
Require a 5-6 second dismount time (use the hacking interface)
Now the tanks used solo are just vehicle supression vehicles
Tanks with a team (like a tanker squad) are rolling porcupines of death and major WP providers.
There, everyone is happy (well except Duna)
This is off the cuff btw.
No, just no.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 01:31:00 -
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Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dust should have taken a page from Star Wars Battlefront and simply done the following:
- Make it hard for infantry to kill Vehicles
- Make it difficult for vehicles to kill infantry
That way you don't have infantry complaining that vehicles are unfair death machines and yet vehicles don't complain that they have tinfoil for armor. So reduce the damage of AV weapons and reduce the damage of vehicle weapons/make vehicle weapons harder to use.
It is actually this simple. Uh dude..... Vehicles in Starwars Battlefront utterly destroy Infantry...... But at least grenades in Battlefront did damage to vehicles. And the maps were big enough that slowing a vehicle down really did matter.
Close Quarters maps proved death traps for vehicles especially when mines were strewn about and long range maps were equally deadly since it gave an greater chance of locked on missiles of hitting.
SWBF1 was just made right.
Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
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