TTK on an ADS is identical to the TTK on an HAV.

I kill a python in 3 shots. I kill a gunnlogi in 3 shots. TTK is identical unless tye gunnlogi sacrifices a useful gun turret to spike their tank hard.

Same with an Incubus and madrugar. Three shots unless the driver forgoes a more useful main gun.

Are you saying the ADS needs to be more resilient and hard to kill than an HAV?

Serious question.

Also when I have two 5m SP assaults focus fire on my sentinel my max skill sentinel usually dies. Why should an ADS be different facing two enemy AV?

HAVs die by the numbers vs. Two AV with a level of haste that is amazing. When I pair off with another forge gunner even an overtanked HAV dies in around seven seconds.

Making ADS able to tank and deal with AV teams would actually make them more resilient than an HAV because of speed.

Teamwork is deadly. Tank drivers have learned that when an area has multiple AV it's time to be somewhere else immediately where there are not multiple AV.

Actually in my experience and after experimenting heavily it require two basic swarms to have the same chance of killing an ADS as a single advanced forge gun.

Not very likely unless you are hovering. When I ran my ADS fights with my minmando and basic swarms we calculated that it would take between six and eight shots to kill the ADS. Two swarmers would need to have proto skills to be at 1.4 second lock times.

Most players who moonlight AV stop at 3 or they don't go past 1. They just want the 4th shot and cheaper fitting.

The thing that kills most ADS pilots is the psychological need to hover. When you hover and simply hang out over a pack of infantry you set yourself in a position where any AV gunner can pretty much guarantee two hits before you can fully react.

Hovering over a sentinel isn't bright, but I don't see many ADS drivers doing that. But when they see infantry they immediately go into hover mode to farm kills.

There is no opening attack run. They don't do a run bombarding infantry then pulling away to see if swarms and forge guns have fired.

When they get over a pack of infantry they simply hang there until someone gets mad and tries to kill them.

When you're blasting ground troops do you sit there until AV arrives or are you picking off 1-3 targets then moving off before the inevitable rage respawns with AV weapons?

If you say you sit around until AV shows up then you are the type of pilot I live for. As AV I don't have to hunt you, chase you. I know where you are and where you will be.

The ADS pilots I can't drop are long gone by the time I get to their last location.

Kill a few infantry, then leave. Find another target area and kill a few more. Don't stick around and farm. If you farm then you will inevitably become part of the harvest. As much as the ADS still needs tweaks the mindset, tactics and methods need to change as well.

Right now he who has the initiative and the intel will almost slways win in AV/V. Dropship pilot habits mean that AV always has the intel. Change the habits and you change the equation.

The only thing tou need to stop a swarm lock is 150 meters of distance.

If you abuse this then forge guns are your sole worry.

To be fair, anyone and everyone can shoot back at a Scout, Heavy or Logi.

This is how you make a post when you want your feedback disregarded.

If this is true, and a swarmer is coming at you, why do you shoot back with your HMG? I'm sure you can switch up in the middle of the firefight with ease. (Actually, unlike the infantry you're shooting, you really can switch yourself from a vehicle to infantry easily. You just jump out.)

The reality is, at any given time, most of the people on the field cannot shoot at you, but you can shoot at them. Trying to argue this point is completely non-constructive.

The ADS nerf has separated the pros from the scrubs. It's actually quite refreshing.

All this crying from these sub-par pilots while I watch Lions-Fan and Derrith still dropping 20+ kills in a PC.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it wasn't you. The only person to ever steal one of my ADS in a PC was Yoshi. And even then, that wasn't much of an accomplishment on his end, my pilot suit has the protection of a bad condom.

And I'm definitely sure it wasn't me, because I've never seen you PC before.

Well, now that I got the war room spirit out of me, what the heck was this thread about again?