DUST Search - lol, oh just nerf it already?!

Soraya Xel wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

Draden Brohiem wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to.

This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data.

Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol!

In all likelihood, the month of data is more about establishing a baseline from the OTHER sidearms so they know how much to nerf the thing instead of blindly manipulating the stats.

This is spot on. I don't think there's any debate that the Bolt Pistol is overpowered. But buffing and nerfing competently isn't just lowering numbers when something's too powerful and raising them when it isn't enough. We actually need to know how much to raise or lower those numbers.

"Just logging on and aiming two shots at a heavy" does not tell us how much to nerf the Bolt Pistol.

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Draden Brohiem D3ATH CARD 8	Posted - 2014.10.10 13:58:00 - [1] - Quote Bolt pistol..... seriously?! What exactly are we waiting on CCP?
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:02:00 - [2] - Quote For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4110	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Draden Brohiem D3ATH CARD 9	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:33:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2158	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:54:00 - [5] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. 1/4 to half of both teams are using it. Only a matter of time before it proliferates like the Cal logi/TAC rifles. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 174	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:04:00 - [6] - Quote Data hmm.. i actually agree here with Matee Boyos its quitly beastly thingie overal call for Rattati "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."*
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 321	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:21:00 - [7] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. if CCP knee jerks reacts we'd be seeing fixes A LOT quicker, not the months upon months it always takes CCP to fix the tiniest stat problems. How long did forge miss fire? 2 months? How long was Flaylock broken? 2 - 3? How about Tac? another 3? CCP does something much, much worse then knee jerk reactions - they SMASH, HAMMER, and RAVAGE what's broken until it's too weak to compete. The entirety of the problem is we don't know what data CCP is looking at these past years to continue doing this terrible trend of balancing. It's obviously based on Pub match data, otherwise BP would of NEVER seen these kind of stats. It's an insane weapon, even just looking at the numbers...
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 443	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:04:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. if CCP knee jerks reacts we'd be seeing fixes A LOT quicker, not the months upon months it always takes CCP to fix the tiniest stat problems. Thing is, if something is OP, and it gets nerfed too hard and without any thought put into it, it isn't fixed. So yeah, if CCP starts knee-jerking like they used to, the changes will come faster, but things won't be fixed. And that was how things used to be. CCP would just look at how many people were whining, and how strongly they whined, and base their changes on that. No maths, just arbitrary changes. If we went back to that, the Bolt Pistol would be nerfed to uselessness. I don't want to go back to that. I'd rather continue the trend of getting things more or less right the first time.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 443	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:10:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: 1/4 to half of both teams are using it. During an event specifically for using sidearms. The data is a bit skewed. Sure it is OP, but in an event like this, slight imbalances are magnafied. Spkr4theDead wrote: Only a matter of time before it proliferates like the 1.7 HAVs. FTFY.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2356	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:12:00 - [10] - Quote Draden Brohiem wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol! In all likelihood, the month of data is more about establishing a baseline from the OTHER sidearms so they know how much to nerf the thing instead of blindly manipulating the stats. Best PvE idea ever!

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4116	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:18:00 - [11] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol! In all likelihood, the month of data is more about establishing a baseline from the OTHER sidearms so they know how much to nerf the thing instead of blindly manipulating the stats. This is spot on. I don't think there's any debate that the Bolt Pistol is overpowered. But buffing and nerfing competently isn't just lowering numbers when something's too powerful and raising them when it isn't enough. We actually need to know how much to raise or lower those numbers. "Just logging on and aiming two shots at a heavy" does not tell us how much to nerf the Bolt Pistol. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Draden Brohiem D3ATH CARD 11	Posted - 2014.10.12 17:44:00 - [12] - Quote So we're in agreement that it shouldn't be killing heavies in two shot? Good lol!
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 67	Posted - 2014.10.12 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol! In all likelihood, the month of data is more about establishing a baseline from the OTHER sidearms so they know how much to nerf the thing instead of blindly manipulating the stats. This is spot on. I don't think there's any debate that the Bolt Pistol is overpowered. But buffing and nerfing competently isn't just lowering numbers when something's too powerful and raising them when it isn't enough. We actually need to know how much to raise or lower those numbers. "Just logging on and aiming two shots at a heavy" does not tell us how much to nerf the Bolt Pistol. Thank you for replaying Soraya. Amarr Victor
Nirwanda Vaughns 807	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:48:00 - [14] - Quote Draden Brohiem wrote: Bolt pistol..... seriously?! What exactly are we waiting on CCP? what is this bolt pistol you speak of? i don't believe i've seen anyone using such weapon? Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 359	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:50:00 - [15] - Quote The bolt shouldn't have been touched in the first place lol Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:54:00 - [16] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. sniper rifle damage as sidearm, what else do you need to know?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1018	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:56:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. 1/4 to half of both teams are using it. Only a matter of time before it proliferates like the Cal logi/TAC rifles. 1/4 to half the teams contain scouts.. and they havnt been nerfed yet... nerf scouts before you nerf the Bolt pistol (even more) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1018	Posted - 2014.10.12 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. sniper rifle damage as sidearm, what else do you need to know? same could be more then said for shotgun.. still hasnt been nerfed. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 283	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:01:00 - [19] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cpt McReady wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing **** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. sniper rifle damage as sidearm, what else do you need to know? same could be more then said for shotgun.. still hasnt been nerfed. yeah the shotgun needs a nerf how long you've been playing this game, two months?
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 110	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:10:00 - [20] - Quote I think they patch monthly so that is what we are waiting on. As for the shotgun a range or dispersion increase nerf would seem proper I mean look at the thing it has no barrel and can do critical dmg 20 feet away (guessing). Scouts are the only reason a lot of weapons are unbalanced. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 494	Posted - 2014.10.12 20:27:00 - [21] - Quote they dont need data. it does too much damage over a pretty short period of time. Lower damage or RoF
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 487	Posted - 2014.10.12 21:57:00 - [22] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: they dont need data. it does too much damage over a pretty short period of time. Lower damage or RoF It does less DPS than any of the other pistols or SMGs. By your logic, all the sidearms are even more OP, which they clearly aren't. It is OP, but you don't seem to realize why it is OP...
man- bear pig D3ATH CARD 58	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:20:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: For the event to end, so they can look at the data and see exactly what they need to do, rather than nerfing ** based on knee-jerk reactions like they used to. This. And note that the Bolt Pistol has already been nerfed once since Delta. But to fine tune the nerf, to lovingly craft the nerf, we need data. Don't think they need a whole month of data on that thing lol! Just log on, and aim two shots at a heavy?! OK well hopefully this event ends soon. They should've called it the buffed pee shooter event lol! In all likelihood, the month of data is more about establishing a baseline from the OTHER sidearms so they know how much to nerf the thing instead of blindly manipulating the stats. This is spot on. I don't think there's any debate that the Bolt Pistol is overpowered. But buffing and nerfing competently isn't just lowering numbers when something's too powerful and raising them when it isn't enough. We actually need to know how much to raise or lower those numbers. "Just logging on and aiming two shots at a heavy" does not tell us how much to nerf the Bolt Pistol. So is this a policy you just accepted after delta? Because they made the SCR useless compared to other rifles. Fully skilled into SCR with Ammar assault lvl 5 as well. I'm doing ** with the SCR, pick up a combat rifle for the first time and I do better then I could with the SCR. Where was the rifle comparison on that one?
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 158	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:35:00 - [24] - Quote The fact that it fires so slow means it's ridiculously easy to aim shots... You practically can't miss with that slow regular rythm.. As for the reason it's powerful, range.... It can outcompete most light weapons let alone sidearms... Cap it at 40 m and reduce damage by 40 and it'll be decent NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 552	Posted - 2014.10.12 22:43:00 - [25] - Quote The Bolt pistol is in a good place right now. Maybe increase the clip size to 6 but that's all it needs. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
BONERBOMB TIGBITTIES THE BONERBOMBS 41	Posted - 2014.10.12 23:57:00 - [26] - Quote Draden Brohiem wrote: Bolt pistol..... seriously?! What exactly are we waiting on CCP? Clip size and range were nerfed in delta. It has the slowest ROF of all sidearms. Please babies quit crying and find a tit to suck on. I enjoy beverage I manage beverage But mostly enjoy beverage
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 00:41:00 - [27] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: they dont need data. it does too much damage over a pretty short period of time. Lower damage or RoF It does less DPS than any of the other pistols or SMGs. By your logic, all the sidearms are even more OP, which they clearly aren't. It is OP, but you don't seem to realize why it is OP... Yet the others cant 3 shot a heavy without head shots. A sidearm should not be more powerful than a light weapon. As for your assumption, its op because of how much damage it does. DPS means nothing if it can kill instantly.
Jathniel G I A N T 1184	Posted - 2014.10.13 02:53:00 - [28] - Quote The Bolt Pistol's old stats were mostly fine. All it needed was a range increase. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 479	Posted - 2014.10.13 02:57:00 - [29] - Quote Draden Brohiem wrote: Bolt pistol..... seriously?! What exactly are we waiting on CCP? Numbers for hotfix Echo. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 50	Posted - 2014.10.13 14:54:00 - [30] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Yet the others cant 3 shot a heavy without head shots. A sidearm should not be more powerful than a light weapon. As for your assumption, its op because of how much damage it does. DPS means nothing if it can kill instantly. Except that it cant kill a heavy with a single clip with body shots, its literally impossible, this is a verified fact. manboar thunder fist wrote: It can outcompete most light weapons let alone sidearms... This is just bullpoop, every light weapon has better dps than the bolt pistol, and every light weapon has comparable or better range except for the shotgun. If you are seriously getting out gunned by someone with a bolt pistol using a light weapon, they got lucky or you need to get good. The bolt pistol is only good because of the sidearm event where it has a good range advantage on other sidearms, Im rarely being killed by it even in my 2 extender scout suit and I can count on a single hand how many times my minmatar assault suit has been killed by it. Meanwhile even during the sidearm event, Im STILL being killed 50%+ of the time by damped+cloak+shotgun scouts, lions share of the rest from HMG heavies, so why arent they considered OP? Because people are butthurt that the bolt pistol is actually worth using now. My prediction is the bolt pistol spam wont last much longer than the sidearm event, because it really isnt as good as people seem to think.

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 494	Posted - 2014.10.13 16:01:00 - [31] - Quote Proto bolt pistol with 2 damage mods does around 1300 damage per magazine. It won't kill a bricked heavy but will just about kill anything else if every shot hits. With aim assist and its range it isn't that hard. As I said, DPS is a non factor if you get killed in 2 shots seeing as how most suits don't have more than 800hp. So please don't talk nonsense.
Boot Booter Pure Evil. Capital Punishment. 937	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:03:00 - [32] - Quote You can't nerf it mid event as it gives players who went for the officer bolt pistol near the beginning a huge advantage to players who would try post nerf. Common sense people. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2547	Posted - 2014.10.13 17:11:00 - [33] - Quote There were so many unnecessary "lols" in the first page, my eye is now twitching... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire


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