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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

So I put together a few charts as I did before for swarms (4 missiles for all/increasing damage for lower tiers... yep that was me) and the amarr scout bonus issue (was a while ago).

This time it is exploring how EWAR is fundamentally broken right now, and how we could bring it back to balance so that other suits can also be a part of this metagame.

Here is a graph of what EWAR looks like now. The (p) stands for precision and the (d) stands for dampening. As you can see, it is quite easy to avoid all scan with minimal sacrifice, and there is no sacrifice great enough to try to keep up.

1) Change a few scan profile/precision numbers.
The scout goes to 40/40, logi to 45/45, assault to 50/50, and heavy suits to 55/55.

2) Change precision dampners to mirror the values of precision enhancers. (i.e. cmplx-20%, enhanced-15%, basic-10%)

3) Change amarr precision bonus to 3% per level

Doing these changes would alter the above chart from what it is to THIS. Much more balanced, dampening specialized suit can still become fully undetectable, and even an assault can pick up on scouts who don't dampen at all.

4) Change active scanners to mirror the new values, change gallente logi bonus to 3% / level)
value/{gal logi value}
Proto focused = 20 / {17}
Proto = 26 / {22}
Advanced = 30 / {25}
Standard = 40 / {34}

Scanners are now useful for all suits again, but can easily be dampened to not be seen (1 cmplx damp on a sentinel evades the standard scanner on a non-bonused suit)

Some examples of the new system.

An assault with 1 complex enhancer picks up undampened amarr/minnie scouts, 2 enhancerss picks up the caldari and gallente ones too. Basically assault scouts now have to deal with prepared normal assaults.

A logi with 3 cmplx dampners picks up all amarr/minnie scouts with two dampners and cal/gal with 1 dampner. Useful for watching a squads back.

A crazy caldari sentinel that fits all complex precision enhancers could pick up undamned scouts (and even amarr/minnie scouts who go with only 1 damp). I would say that is one heck of a sacrifice, but it could potentially pay off.

EDIT: Changed proto active non-focused scanner to not pick up minmatar/amarr scouts when they fit to avoid scans.
EDIT: Update OP

Remember, this will allow scout to remain the very best at any single category of EWAR, but now they have to make trade-offs like every other suit in the game.

EWAR should never be a go scout or go home proposition.


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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1015	Posted - 2014.10.12 16:33:00 - [1] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: So I put together a few charts as I did before for swarms (4 missiles for all/increasing damage for lower tiers... yep that was me) and the amarr scout bonus issue (was a while ago). This time it is exploring how EWAR is fundamentally broken right now, and how we could bring it back to balance so that other suits can also be a part of this metagame. Here is a graph of what EWAR looks like now. The (p) stands for precision and the (d) stands for dampening. As you can see, it is quite easy to avoid all scan with minimal sacrifice, and there is no sacrifice great enough to try to keep up. 1) Change a few scan profile/precision numbers. The scout goes to 40/40, logi to 45/45, assault to 50/50, and heavy suits to 55/55. 2) Change precision dampners to mirror the values of precision enhancers. (i.e. cmplx-20%, enhanced-15%, basic-10%) 3) Change amarr precision bonus to 3% per level Doing these changes would alter the above chart from what it is to THIS. Much more balanced, dampening specialized suit can still become fully undetectable, and even an assault can pick up on scouts who don't dampen at all. 4) Change active scanners to mirror the new values, change gallente logi bonus to 3% / level) value/{gal logi value} Proto focused = 20 / {17} Proto = 26 / {22} Advanced = 30 / {25} Standard = 40 / {34} Scanners are now useful for all suits again, but can easily be dampened to not be seen (1 cmplx damp on a sentinel evades the standard scanner on a non-bonused suit) Some examples of the new system. An assault with 1 complex enhancer picks up undampened amarr/minnie scouts, 2 enhancerss picks up the caldari and gallente ones too. Basically assault scouts now have to deal with prepared normal assaults. A logi with 3 cmplx dampners picks up all amarr/minnie scouts with two dampners and cal/gal with 1 dampner. Useful for watching a squads back. A crazy caldari sentinel that fits all complex precision enhancers could pick up undamned scouts (and even amarr/minnie scouts who go with only 1 damp). I would say that is one heck of a sacrifice, but it could potentially pay off. EDIT: Changed proto active non-focused scanner to not pick up minmatar/amarr scouts when they fit to avoid scans. EDIT: Update OP Remember, this will allow scout to remain the very best at any single category of EWAR, but now they have to make trade-offs like every other suit in the game. EWAR should never be a go scout or go home proposition. we dont need to "fix" ewar.. we just need to nerf scouts and buff active scanners [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]