DUST Search - Scrubbiest fit ATM?

Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Black SlaverX wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Why is any gameplay scrubby?

Valid mechanics are valid

It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature.

Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit).

I don't make the rules man.

I still don't get that mentality.
Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably.

Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries?

This right here is the problem. It is a game with lots of stuff to be enjoyed. Yet, we have people who boil it all down to what wins because its stats got pumped up to OP levels and spams it. This is nothing more than exploiting the mechanics, not using something effectively because you simply can from a metagame standpoint (i.e. Outthinking opponents with tactics).

This game has recently furthered that scrub mentality rather than nerfed it. Some people refuse to run the same FOTM crap just to win. They therefore lose because of it. That shouldn't be the reason they lose.

This ruins the game. It makes it boring, predictable and ultimately fail as a product. No problem for DUST I guess. It is dead in the water so I suppose some people say what the hell let's help kill it off faster. However, these same people were doing the same thing when DUST had a chance to be something.

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Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:00:00 - [1] - Quote My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. Watch your back because I might be there.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 479	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:04:00 - [2] - Quote Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:06:00 - [3] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. Watch your back because I might be there.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5572	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:17:00 - [4] - Quote Scrubbiest fit has always been Rail Rifle Heavy. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 480	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:30:00 - [5] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries?
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1085	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:36:00 - [6] - Quote Flip flops. They're OP as ****.
saxonmish Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:45:00 - [7] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. What do you run? SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:46:00 - [8] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? If all you do is skill into the most OP fits, well then you sir are also a scrub. This means rather than use skill, you need a crutch to win. It goes back to the mentality of whether you would use cheat codes or not. Sure, it makes the game easier, but is it more fun that way? Also, Identification and mitigation of OP stuff is CCP's job, and all they really need to do to identify OP fits is to track the scrubs and how they fit. Most everyone craves a game with a level playing field... well those that aren't crutchers anyway. The most rewarding fights are those that are evenly matched, when you have OP stuff, this just means to have an evenly matched game everyone is in the same fits. That is boring as hell. Watch your back because I might be there.
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:50:00 - [9] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. What do you run? Mostly minmatar stuff, minmatar assaults with mass drivers are my current favorite because of the amount of scouts running around, still not a great counter though because of the size of the tanks they field. I tried scramblers but they are just horrible, RR feels like cheating, AR feels good though, and CR is really good. I like using the minmatar heavy with kincats and HMG and nova knives though, lots of fun when people try to run away. I am sure people get a bit suprised when I run past their assault suits too. Watch your back because I might be there.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 481	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:00:00 - [10] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? If all you do is skill into the most OP fits, well then you sir are also a scrub. This means rather than use skill, you need a crutch to win. It goes back to the mentality of whether you would use cheat codes or not. Sure, it makes the game easier, but is it more fun that way? Also, Identification and mitigation of OP stuff is CCP's job, and all they really need to do to identify OP fits is to track the scrubs and how they fit. Most everyone craves a game with a level playing field... well those that aren't crutchers anyway. The most rewarding fights are those that are evenly matched, when you have OP stuff, this just means to have an evenly matched game everyone is in the same fits. That is boring as hell. I'm far from a FoTM chaser, I've been running Logi since 1.0 CCP will identify things they say are OP and adjust accordingly. Those changes have been coming faster since the hotfixes started. If a weapon or suit is OP, it'll get nerfed. In the meantime, it's still a valid mechanic. People using FoTM still die, even to my UP Logi fits.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4500	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:05:00 - [11] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? I donGÇÖt begrudge Nyan San their decision to find and use the most optimal fit, but I do recognize it as a useful metric when identifying balance issues. The day we see Nyan San running a wide variety of fits we will know we have the balance problem lickedGÇª at last until the next item is added to the game and throws balance off again. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 93	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:07:00 - [12] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? Well bro that isn't exactly right there are things like the rules of engagement and the geneva convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement which dictate a moral guild line for combat. I don't know if you are a marksman in rl, but when you read nato rounds it means it is a copper bullet as apposed to lead so you do not poison your target should he survive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71nqMqmiaw New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4500	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:11:00 - [13] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: I like using the minmatar heavy with kincats and HMG and nova knives though, I canGÇÖt help smiling when I think of that moment when the Min Scout runs up to stab the Sentinel and the Sentinel pulls a Knife! OhGÇª Snap! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 482	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:15:00 - [14] - Quote The Master Race wrote: RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? Well bro that isn't exactly right there are things like the rules of engagement and the geneva convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement which dictate a moral guide line for combat. I don't know if you are a marksman in rl, but when you read nato rounds it means it is a copper bullet as apposed to lead so you do not poison your target should he survive. And know you know! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71nqMqmiaw Yep, because everyone on the planet follows the Geneva Convention to the letter. /S No, I'm not a marksman in real life. Not a soldier, cop, or enthusiast but I know that in a fight to the death, the goal is to be the one still alive at the end.
Commander Shepard III Pure Evil. 4	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:45:00 - [15] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: saxonmish wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. What do you run? Mostly minmatar stuff, minmatar assaults with mass drivers are my current favorite because of the amount of scouts running around, still not a great counter though because of the size of the tanks they field. I tried scramblers but they are just horrible, RR feels like cheating, AR feels good though, and CR is really good. I like using the minmatar heavy with kincats and HMG and nova knives though, lots of fun when people try to run away. I am sure people get a bit suprised when I run past their assault suits too. I love facing heavies like you :) Property of John ShepardIII
Commander Shepard III Pure Evil. 4	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:48:00 - [16] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. What do you run? lol Sax, he meant the other Cal scouts with a rail rifle and bolt pistol with core nades. Not you :) Property of John ShepardIII
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1647	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:51:00 - [17] - Quote Except Sax usually runs the scrambler pistol.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 461	Posted - 2014.10.08 17:23:00 - [18] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. Yep, also it is that it is easy to get kills with and therefore a power player fit rather than to enjoy the game and have some damn self respect and add flavor to the game and a little context. When I'm sick of the bad syncing with the game I run the heavy with HMG or RR. Sit back, collect my kills and wonderGÇª why are people complaining about the sniper rifle? Of course the bolt pistol with a heavy suit makes it all the more scrubbier. I would still be running my tanked scout, which is not scrubby mind you when you run it without a cloak and use it as your assault fit because you started the game when the scout suit was the only Gal suit and it looks awesome. However, syncing or lag or whatever you call it keeps me from running that suit because I take too much damage before I even know I'm being hit. I had to move up to a medium just to get a buffer to alert me of an attack. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 461	Posted - 2014.10.08 17:33:00 - [19] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? This right here is the problem. It is a game with lots of stuff to be enjoyed. Yet, we have people who boil it all down to what wins because its stats got pumped up to OP levels and spams it. This is nothing more than exploiting the mechanics, not using something effectively because you simply can from a metagame standpoint (i.e. Outthinking opponents with tactics). This game has recently furthered that scrub mentality rather than nerfed it. Some people refuse to run the same FOTM crap just to win. They therefore lose because of it. That shouldn't be the reason they lose. This ruins the game. It makes it boring, predictable and ultimately fail as a product. No problem for DUST I guess. It is dead in the water so I suppose some people say what the hell let's help kill it off faster. However, these same people were doing e same thing when DUST had a chance to be something. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 153	Posted - 2014.10.08 17:50:00 - [20] - Quote I run scout ck0 & proto RR with ZN nova knifes (hope that makes up for my scrubbiness)

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 592	Posted - 2014.10.08 17:54:00 - [21] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. I've been running that fit (except CR not RR) on an alt since they were first released. Nothing is FOTM. The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 216	Posted - 2014.10.08 18:30:00 - [22] - Quote i dont see a problem with a caldari suit using caldari weapons. Rather have scouts use rifles than shotguns. Scrub fit is anyone in proto in a pubmatch. Sorry but you just are. (psst so am I) Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 485	Posted - 2014.10.08 18:46:00 - [23] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? This right here is the problem. It is a game with lots of stuff to be enjoyed. Yet, we have people who boil it all down to what wins because its stats got pumped up to OP levels and spams it. This is nothing more than exploiting the mechanics, not using something effectively because you simply can from a metagame standpoint (i.e. Outthinking opponents with tactics). This game has recently furthered that scrub mentality rather than nerfed it. Some people refuse to run the same FOTM crap just to win. They therefore lose because of it. That shouldn't be the reason they lose. This ruins the game. It makes it boring, predictable and ultimately fail as a product. No problem for DUST I guess. It is dead in the water so I suppose some people say what the hell let's help kill it off faster. However, these same people were doing the same thing when DUST had a chance to be something. Did you miss the part where I said I've been Logi since 1.0? The mentality isn't wrong. People play this game to win. I win by having 4K WP on the board yet still going 2/6. Other win by going 24/0 with a Sentinel and a RR/Bolt, still others win just by the victory/loss screen. There was jsut a thread yesterday of people saying that "Competitive" shooters require no bonuses to weapons, guns, and fits. I say that's boring and many disagreed with me. In this thread, I'm saying the exact same thing, and people are disagreeing with me. There will never be perfect balance in a game with as many fits, suits and weapons. SOMETHING will always be OP/UP. It's learning how to handle that FoTM "scrubs" so that you can still win. You said Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: This is nothing more than exploiting the mechanics, not using something effectively because you simply can from a metagame standpoint (i.e. Outthinking opponents with tactics). I say, seeing that Nyain squad on the other side, knowing what is FoTM, and knowing you can counter it gives a better advantage and allows tactics to prevail over "Herp, Derp, Heavy wit a bolt"
Lanius Pulvis Evzones Public.Disorder. 355	Posted - 2014.10.08 18:48:00 - [24] - Quote RayRay James wrote: The Master Race wrote: RayRay James wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: RayRay James wrote: Why is any gameplay scrubby? Valid mechanics are valid It basically signifies what is FotM due to it's OP nature. Basically Nyan San battle doctrine. When you see Nyan san and a few others all unify around one fit, it is the FotM (scrub fit). I don't make the rules man. I still don't get that mentality. Sure, I don't like getting two-shotted by a bolt pistol, but seriously, the goal is to win the game. Not do it honorably. Should and Army not use Advanced Weapons just because the other fighters don't have them? Of Course Not, so why wouldn't we as Mercenaries? Well bro that isn't exactly right there are things like the rules of engagement and the geneva convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement which dictate a moral guide line for combat. I don't know if you are a marksman in rl, but when you read nato rounds it means it is a copper bullet as apposed to lead so you do not poison your target should he survive. And know you know! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71nqMqmiaw Yep, because everyone on the planet follows the Geneva Convention to the letter. /S No, I'm not a marksman in real life. Not a soldier, cop, or enthusiast but I know that in a fight to the death, the goal is to be the one still alive at the end. I'd just like to point out that you seem to be confusing this GAME with real life. Of course in real life there is no such thing as "unfair" when it comes to a fight to the death. But this is a game, with specific rules that are supposed to allow everyone the same opportunity to win, exploiting loopholes or oversights in those rules gives one an unfair advantage. The real shame isn't that these loopholes exist, it's that some people don't see a problem with exploiting them. It's quite simply poor sportsmanship. I really don't understand how people can enjoy a win they didn't really have to compete for. Not new, just new to you.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 485	Posted - 2014.10.08 19:12:00 - [25] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: I'd just like to point out that you seem to be confusing this GAME with real life. Of course in real life there is no such thing as "unfair" when it comes to a fight to the death. But this is a game, with specific rules that are supposed to allow everyone the same opportunity to win, exploiting loopholes or oversights in those rules gives one an unfair advantage. The real shame isn't that these loopholes exist, it's that some people don't see a problem with exploiting them. It's quite simply poor sportsmanship. I really don't understand how people can enjoy a win they didn't really have to compete for. I'm not confusing anything. I know the difference between a game and real life. It was an example of people using more advanced weapons (OP) against less advanced weapons (UP). In this game, however, we are mercenaries hired to achieve and objective. There is no "Wait, no.. no... we need you to win but you can't do [whatever]" No. In game, we're "hired" to win. full stop. Also, nothing is an exploit until CCP says it is. Trust me, I love killing people who skill FoTM, love it. I don't, however, consider it an exploit, loophole, or anything else. I consider it a challenge to overcome.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3765	Posted - 2014.10.08 21:58:00 - [26] - Quote Velcro kicks that light up.
five times Liverpool F.C. 22	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote i dont care what any one runs, i just want to not have to wait 3 minutes plus for a match, run what ever you want and olay how you want its the whiners on the OP/FOTM band waggon that is reducing player base, theres so few tanks in games that itz kind of annoying, i skilled into proto forge gun so i can use the 300 kalkiota that were handed out after the mauler heavy event, but theres no fuckin tanks about, i have to vo back to supply depot and change
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 545	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:23:00 - [28] - Quote The answer is whatever kills you. I use whatever the hell I want and don't worry about what strangers using avatars on the interweb think. And neither should you. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1053	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:25:00 - [29] - Quote Cal scout and Assault with the oh so lovely f@g weapon the RR! RR heavy Minmando with swarms (cuz swarms are for dem f@g scrubs) Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 271	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:37:00 - [30] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. Agreed. I hate caldari scouts. The Blazing Intellect Machine

Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1054	Posted - 2014.10.09 00:53:00 - [31] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Black SlaverX wrote: My vote goes for caldari scout w/ rail rifle and bolt pistol. Agreed. I hate caldari scouts. +1 That messed up hitbox pisses me off Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2486	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:32:00 - [32] - Quote Any sentinel with any HMG "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 261	Posted - 2014.10.09 07:00:00 - [33] - Quote Hey F you guys I've been a Cal scout since being a Cal scout was a thing but don't worry I run mine with that new CreoDron breach and assault SMG with about 700hp... 370 of that bounces back in about 10 seconds...
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3581	Posted - 2014.10.09 07:04:00 - [34] - Quote I think my pre-hotfix alpha fit is still pretty scrubby. It was great at the beginning of 1.8, but it should be even better now. Scout gk.0 Complex shields x2 Complex damps x2 Complex ferroscale x2 Ishukone cloak Flux nades Creodron SG Kaalakiota BP I don't think the fit is doable now that fitting requirements for the BP have changed.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1057	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:10:00 - [35] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I think my pre-hotfix alpha fit is still pretty scrubby. It was great at the beginning of 1.8, but it should be even better now. Scout gk.0 Complex shields x2 Complex damps x2 Complex ferroscale x2 Ishukone cloak Flux nades Creodron SG Kaalakiota BP I don't think the fit is doable now that fitting requirements for the BP have changed. ill go and try it out once i get complex sheilds and plates Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)


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