DUST Search - cheap minmatar scout suit help

Luna McDuffing wrote:

I've been having a bad week killing wise (or is it dying wise?) so, I said to my self, the heck with this. Lets try a different approach. I also want to build ISK so, I decided to build a hacking suit. So, I will put some limitations and you guys can pass judgement or opinion on what a good build would be GIVEN the following limitations. Again, this discussion is for fun and for the challenge of it so stick to the limitations.

The limitations are:
#1 It has to be a basic minmatar scout suit.
#2 It has to have at least a basic drop link.
#3 Cost cannot exceed 25,000 isk. (absolute max)

Any weapon or modules after that is fair game.
I would prefer to have at least the basic clocking device but, I'll leave it up to you guys. Turns out some people don't use it at all.

Ok, so what is the purpose of this suit?
#1 infiltrate and hack an objective. Then get out
#2 be able to move troops forward by strategically placing drop links.
#3 Kill at least 1 target of opportunity. This is a SECONDARY goal. As it turns out some people like to guard the objectives so sometimes we need to remove that one obstacle. The idea here is that if you do not need to engage an enemy then don't.

One more thing. Assume all skill are maxed. Mine aren't but, just to make things easier.

So given that your answer is?

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Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 56	Posted - 2014.10.07 18:19:00 - [1] - Quote I've been having a bad week killing wise (or is it dying wise?) so, I said to my self, the heck with this. Lets try a different approach. I also want to build ISK so, I decided to build a hacking suit. So, I will put some limitations and you guys can pass judgement or opinion on what a good build would be GIVEN the following limitations. Again, this discussion is for fun and for the challenge of it so stick to the limitations. The limitations are: #1 It has to be a basic minmatar scout suit. #2 It has to have at least a basic drop link. #3 Cost cannot exceed 25,000 isk. (absolute max) Any weapon or modules after that is fair game. I would prefer to have at least the basic clocking device but, I'll leave it up to you guys. Turns out some people don't use it at all. Ok, so what is the purpose of this suit? #1 infiltrate and hack an objective. Then get out #2 be able to move troops forward by strategically placing drop links. #3 Kill at least 1 target of opportunity. This is a SECONDARY goal. As it turns out some people like to guard the objectives so sometimes we need to remove that one obstacle. The idea here is that if you do not need to engage an enemy then don't. One more thing. Assume all skill are maxed. Mine aren't but, just to make things easier. So given that your answer is?
rithu Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 153	Posted - 2014.10.07 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote are u the one that died a lot in a bush or skirmish (2 hrs ago?) against a gal scout with tactical AR? if u r , i can see u. Pls skill into profile damping.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 56	Posted - 2014.10.07 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote rithu wrote: are u the one that died a lot in a bush or skirmish (2 hrs ago?) against a gal scout with tactical AR? if u r , i can see u. Pls skill into profile damping. No, I haven't played today yet.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5554	Posted - 2014.10.07 19:06:00 - [4] - Quote Scout M-1 (19k Isk) HS: Bsc Shield Extender, Enh Sidearm Dmg LS: Cmp Profile Damp, Enh KinCat PW: Adv Nova Knives SW: Std Bolt Pistol GR: Bsc Flux EQ: Bsc Cloak, Stable Uplink Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4648	Posted - 2014.10.07 19:49:00 - [5] - Quote If you are focused on not dying, Dampening should be your No. 1 priority. Using those uplinks are a good idea. I would also avoid conflict. Carry some ZNs or standard knives on you, and maybe a std or mlt MD for clearing out equipment. And if you have fitting room and budget to spare, REs. Your role would be to place uplinks and hack undefended objectives or CRUs. Stick to easy kills like scouts hacking an objective solo and snipers. Try and judge the area, and get out if things look hairy. Leave REs on objectives for mercs too lazy to flux them, or throw them on your Uplinks for anyone not paying enough attention. It is a role that will be more ISK positive while still being of benefit to your team. You can always tell a Millford Minja
D4GG3R Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 443	Posted - 2014.10.07 22:09:00 - [6] - Quote Get an amarr scout, problem solved:) I'm pretty plain. I watch anime for the boobs
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2481	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:38:00 - [7] - Quote There is no good basic or advanced minmitar scout fittings. Sorry. If you wanted to be viable at any level other than proto, you should've used an HMG heavy or a fine rifle wielding Assault "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4653	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:42:00 - [8] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no good basic or advanced minmitar scout fittings. Sorry. If you wanted to be viable at any level other than proto, you should've used an HMG heavy or a fine rifle wielding Assault I do just fine in std and adv minmatar suits thank you very much. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2481	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:47:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no good basic or advanced minmitar scout fittings. Sorry. If you wanted to be viable at any level other than proto, you should've used an HMG heavy or a fine rifle wielding Assault I do just fine in std and adv minmatar suits thank you very much. You move WAY too slow to be any good for anything other than hacking and picking off red berries that stray from the pack. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9688	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:52:00 - [10] - Quote Flux grenades a good way to weaken your enemy or to clear out a room full of equipment. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4654	Posted - 2014.10.08 01:00:00 - [11] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no good basic or advanced minmitar scout fittings. Sorry. If you wanted to be viable at any level other than proto, you should've used an HMG heavy or a fine rifle wielding Assault I do just fine in std and adv minmatar suits thank you very much. You move WAY too slow to be any good for anything other than hacking and picking off red berries that stray from the pack. He is trying to stay AWAY from the pack. For fewer deaths. He isn't trying to proto stomp, he is trying to make isk, even if it means dying more often in less than ideal suits but saving the isk. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1270	Posted - 2014.10.08 01:01:00 - [12] - Quote them knives AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 56	Posted - 2014.10.08 12:45:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: There is no good basic or advanced minmitar scout fittings. Sorry. If you wanted to be viable at any level other than proto, you should've used an HMG heavy or a fine rifle wielding Assault I do just fine in std and adv minmatar suits thank you very much. You move WAY too slow to be any good for anything other than hacking and picking off red berries that stray from the pack. He is trying to stay AWAY from the pack. For fewer deaths. He isn't trying to proto stomp, he is trying to make isk, even if it means dying more often in less than ideal suits but saving the isk. Yes, this is an isk building suit. I have my logi for squad support and a caldari scout for forward movement. This suit is more for solo play and more importantly for fun. I want to be sneaking around and have the enmy wonder who and or how did they take the letter? I was just ther a second ago. I'm always building all sorts of suits with different configurations just to see what happens. That is what i like about this game. Every fit allows for a different play style which fits your mood of the day.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1332	Posted - 2014.10.08 14:48:00 - [14] - Quote M/1 - series Combat rifle ZN-28 3 basic shield extenders adv. Kin cat Adv Codebreaker Basic cloak R-9 uplink Should be just under your 25k isk I actually use a cheaper version myself based on the M-1 but thought you might appreciate the extra hack speed (About 5 secs) Edit: damn forgot 1st point :P Can't for the life of me remember my own fit off hand (and I keep forgetting to update protofits) but it uses a hell of a lot of militia gear to keep the cost down but the fit pg wise is very tight "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1642	Posted - 2014.10.08 15:53:00 - [15] - Quote I'd put a cloak and two sidearms of choice on the suit and pick off people on the edges.
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 60	Posted - 2014.10.08 20:30:00 - [16] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: M/1 - series Combat rifle ZN-28 3 basic shield extenders adv. Kin cat Adv Codebreaker Basic cloak R-9 uplink Should be just under your 25k isk I actually use a cheaper version myself based on the M-1 but thought you might appreciate the extra hack speed (About 5 secs) Edit: damn forgot 1st point :P Can't for the life of me remember my own fit off hand (and I keep forgetting to update protofits) but it uses a hell of a lot of militia gear to keep the cost down but the fit pg wise is very tight sounds like a pretty cool fit (the M/1) above but, don't you get detected without the profile dampener?
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1333	Posted - 2014.10.08 20:35:00 - [17] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: sounds like a pretty cool fit (the M/1) above but, don't you get detected without the profile dampener? It depends how you use it. For defending a point after the hack then you may as well loose the codebreaker(as you'd only get one use out of it) and put a dampener on. If your running in to hack a point and making the enemy to loose forces from elsewhere to take it back being detected isn't an issue. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.10.08 20:37:00 - [18] - Quote These fits are more for advanced level core skills as there are some crazy things you can do with maxed skills that aren't really practical for those like me who started playing in the past 6 months: For placing uplinks and making uncontested hacks (this suit has the bare minimum eHP not to go splat when someone coughs in your direction): M-1 Scout (23.5k with the ADV weapons, 17k with STD) 2 Enhanced Shield Extender 1 Enhanced Reactive Plate 1 Enhance Profile Dampener SMG (Either STD or ADV) Nova Knives (Either STD or ADV) Flux Grenade 1 R-9 Drop Uplink For the open maps you can trade the SMG for a longer range weapon. However, I find that the STD Combat Rifle doesn't really do enough damage at range to solo kill anything. The BK-42 Assault Combat Rifle works fine, but breaks your budget. A STD Rail Rifle might work, but I haven't tried it on these fits. For infiltration/hacking with a cloak you really need an ADV suit (goes splat if someone looks at you funny): M/1 Scout (a hair under 25k) No highs 1 Complex Codebreaker 1 Complex Profile Dampener SMG ADV ZN-28 Nova Knives Flux Grenade 1 ARN-18 Cloak 1 Stable Drop Uplink For that hack that you really want to get, remove the uplink and the SMG to add 3 basic shield extenders (25.7k).
Krator Kosta Nostra Nos Nothi 20	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:20:00 - [19] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: I've been having a bad week killing wise (or is it dying wise?) so, I said to my self, the heck with this. Lets try a different approach. I also want to build ISK so, I decided to build a hacking suit. So, I will put some limitations and you guys can pass judgement or opinion on what a good build would be GIVEN the following limitations. Again, this discussion is for fun and for the challenge of it so stick to the limitations. The limitations are: #1 It has to be a basic minmatar scout suit. #2 It has to have at least a basic drop link. #3 Cost cannot exceed 25,000 isk. (absolute max) Any weapon or modules after that is fair game. I would prefer to have at least the basic clocking device but, I'll leave it up to you guys. Turns out some people don't use it at all. Ok, so what is the purpose of this suit? #1 infiltrate and hack an objective. Then get out #2 be able to move troops forward by strategically placing drop links. #3 Kill at least 1 target of opportunity. This is a SECONDARY goal. As it turns out some people like to guard the objectives so sometimes we need to remove that one obstacle. The idea here is that if you do not need to engage an enemy then don't. One more thing. Assume all skill are maxed. Mine aren't but, just to make things easier. So given that your answer is? Here is what I have been using for the sidearm event. Total cost I think is about 6k, with the exception of my hack suit which is about 15k ( I think? I don't have my PS in front of me to confirm) M-1 Suit dual mlt flaylock HS: militia recharger + militial sheild extender (you can swap this out for another militia recharger) LS : militia shield regulator + militia armor repair Militia Nanohive . This suit benefits from being able to self heal , assuming you use the terrain and cover effectively. Nanohive is required due to the lack of ammo the militia flaylocks carry (I currently have a max of 16 per flaylock on the militia). You will at some point run low, and the nanohive will help you when your not around a Supply Depot. It also helps making a quick +10 WP whenever a teammate is nearby and needs to replenish. Hack Suit M-1 dual militia flaylock HS Milita Sheild LS - two complex codebreakers I cannot remember if I can fit the R-9 uplink on this suit - I think you can, but I don't have my playstation on right now to verify With this hack suit, your going to die, often . Do not engage in fights unless you have to. Your goal with this suit is the quick hack and with any luck, be able to get outta the area quickly. Its very effective on Domination boards, as you can hack the point in 2.5 seconds, which might seem like an eternity, but you will be surprised how long it takes for your enemies to reach you to stop you. With practice , you will know when you can successfully hack right in front of them. (Just make sure you have some teammates distracting them) I have gone 2 -16 using this suit and still made over 250k isk due to the multiple hacks + uplinks. It will force your opponents to group 4 or more people around the point, allowing your team to either 1) mow them down due to their close proximity or 2) take other objectives without any opposition. The "big " negatives In both cases, you will be seen by any scout with precision dampeners, or any Cal or Ammar scouts. You will die to basically anything with long range rifles. Due to only using flaylocks, Heavys are very difficult to kill. The "big" positives You can die a crapload and still make isk. You can kill effectively with the flaylocks once you get used to using them. While out in the open, they are a bit difficult to use, in an enclosed area, they are VERY lethal. My best kill - Killing 4 people (4th was laying down something....mine or uplink) attempting to hack 'A' in the City Map (Gallante Research Facility? I forget the name) , using 6 shots from both flaylocks. Because your a Min Scout - you have decent hack speed even without the codebreakers, thus you can hack with the 1st suit effectively. Again - you will die. Often. Accept that - Accept that you are going to die. Accept that your going to die, but also make it a point to take the other guy down with you if you can. Eventually ,with enough experience - it will be just you standing over the dead carcus of your enemy, and after a few seconds, you will be back to full health and armor, ready to take on the next target.


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