DUST Search - Ten Years of World of Warcraft [Thread is actually about DUST]

Avinash Decker wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Perfect example of such a game is Halo. It's literally a like playing a chess game because no matter what armor abilities you install, no matter what weapon you pick up, no matter what you do, you are always on a level playing field with everyone else because your stats are pretty much equal to everyone else. The Covenant Carbine will always do the same total amount of damage as that of a UNSC Assault Rifle or that of a UNSC Battle Rifle or a Promethean Suppressor. I would know as I have played every Halo game in existence (except Halo Wars - I don't like it) and I still do play them.

One more thing. Anyone who knows anything about chess knows that the white pieces always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have first move advantage. That's also how it is in Halo. The first person to shoot, will always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have the first move advantage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

Extra Credits makes a great point on the concept of "perfect imbalance".

Not going to lie, but that sounds horrible.

I was not a FPS player before Dust. My PS3 collected dust for years. I think CoD:BOII was that last game i purchased before Dust, and yes, I came here from EVE.

Since Fanfest, I've tried multiple games, Planetside 2, TF2, Destiny... none of them grab me like this game. Why? Because in this game, even if I get jumped I have a chance (albeit a slim one) to still win the fight. Someone messes up a shot, or over compensates for a jump and I still have a chance. In those other games, whoever gets the shot off first wins.

Destiny I've played longer than any of the games listed above. Unlike most, I kinda like the PvP, but it's still not as good as Dust because all I need is to run fast with a shotty or HMG and I can nearly guarantee a win (Man, that sounds familiar) At least in Dust, I have a scanner, or a rep tool, or passive scans, or a drop ship, or a plethora of options in the tool box to come back from the dead and say "alright F#CKER, it's on!"

Maybe it's just me, but why would I really want to play a match against someone with all the same stats? What's the point of even having different fits if that 'competitive' game play? Tactics (your chess example) don't come into play when you can ball up run through a tiny map, and Destiny's PVP arenas are even smaller than Dust's ambush maps, and considering we all get a OHK weapon every few minutes... well... talk about OP.

To each his own, i suppose, but what you see as a PRO I see as a CON.

Edit: And to expand on competitive game play. Starcraft 2 is probably the best know competitive game there is, but depending on what race I play and how I level the characters, I can still have an advantage. It might not last for long as the other team may level the counter, but it's still an advantage.

Because the point would be that know I would have to rely on my pure skill instead of more factors that can be uncontrollable . A lot of games don't do that much any more instead of restricting certain abilities/weapons but give still freedom for playstyles in more competitive matches. Also to me Dust kill times are actually pretty low and is closer to BF and COD and the individual battles themselves last relatively short , but they are also very inconsistent because of the RPG mechanics

In general,there is no game that is perfectly "balanced" besides maybe pong.Usually games now designed for counters(countering other playstyles/weapons/abilities/etc) or something like that. Dust imo has been very poor at achieving anything balanced whatsoever since in nearly update something becomes op or too good and sometimes up or not very useful.

Lastly WoW has changed the classes mechanically usually during a expansion release , so a Fury Warrior now is much different before in Burning Crusade,the first expansion. Pretty much from what another person said. Still Dust is primary a PVP game so a balance changes effects a the entire population.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9685	Posted - 2014.10.07 18:39:00 - [1] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Anytime I'm chatting with someone in-game and they bring up balance. I ask one simple question: "What FPS have you played that's completely balanced?" I've yet to receive a good answer. Any game/match with set parameters. So games with matches set for actual competitive play. Same health Same weapons Same everything [...] Perfect example of such a game is Halo. It's literally a like playing a chess game because no matter what armor abilities you install, no matter what weapon you pick up, no matter what you do, you are always on a level playing field with everyone else because your stats are pretty much equal to everyone else. The Covenant Carbine will always do the same total amount of damage as that of a UNSC Assault Rifle or that of a UNSC Battle Rifle or a Promethean Suppressor. I would know as I have played every Halo game in existence (except Halo Wars - I don't like it) and I still do play them. One more thing. Anyone who knows anything about chess knows that the white pieces always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have first move advantage. That's also how it is in Halo. The first person to shoot, will always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have the first move advantage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w Extra Credits makes a great point on the concept of "perfect imbalance". On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9688	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: RayRay James wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Perfect example of such a game is Halo. It's literally a like playing a chess game because no matter what armor abilities you install, no matter what weapon you pick up, no matter what you do, you are always on a level playing field with everyone else because your stats are pretty much equal to everyone else. The Covenant Carbine will always do the same total amount of damage as that of a UNSC Assault Rifle or that of a UNSC Battle Rifle or a Promethean Suppressor. I would know as I have played every Halo game in existence (except Halo Wars - I don't like it) and I still do play them. One more thing. Anyone who knows anything about chess knows that the white pieces always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have first move advantage. That's also how it is in Halo. The first person to shoot, will always have a higher probability of winning by virtue of the fact that they have the first move advantage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w Extra Credits makes a great point on the concept of "perfect imbalance". Not going to lie, but that sounds horrible. I was not a FPS player before Dust. My PS3 collected dust for years. I think CoD:BOII was that last game i purchased before Dust, and yes, I came here from EVE. Since Fanfest, I've tried multiple games, Planetside 2, TF2, Destiny... none of them grab me like this game. Why? Because in this game, even if I get jumped I have a chance (albeit a slim one) to still win the fight. Someone messes up a shot, or over compensates for a jump and I still have a chance. In those other games, whoever gets the shot off first wins. Destiny I've played longer than any of the games listed above. Unlike most, I kinda like the PvP, but it's still not as good as Dust because all I need is to run fast with a shotty or HMG and I can nearly guarantee a win (Man, that sounds familiar) At least in Dust, I have a scanner, or a rep tool, or passive scans, or a drop ship, or a plethora of options in the tool box to come back from the dead and say "alright F#CKER, it's on!" Maybe it's just me, but why would I really want to play a match against someone with all the same stats? What's the point of even having different fits if that 'competitive' game play? Tactics (your chess example) don't come into play when you can ball up run through a tiny map, and Destiny's PVP arenas are even smaller than Dust's ambush maps, and considering we all get a OHK weapon every few minutes... well... talk about OP. To each his own, i suppose, but what you see as a PRO I see as a CON. Edit: And to expand on competitive game play. Starcraft 2 is probably the best know competitive game there is, but depending on what race I play and how I level the characters, I can still have an advantage. It might not last for long as the other team may level the counter, but it's still an advantage. Because the point would be that know I would have to rely on my pure skill instead of more factors that can be uncontrollable . A lot of games don't do that much any more instead of restricting certain abilities/weapons but give still freedom for playstyles in more competitive matches. Also to me Dust kill times are actually pretty low and is closer to BF and COD and the individual battles themselves last relatively short , but they are also very inconsistent because of the RPG mechanics In general,there is no game that is perfectly "balanced" besides maybe pong.Usually games now designed for counters(countering other playstyles/weapons/abilities/etc) or something like that. Dust imo has been very poor at achieving anything balanced whatsoever since in nearly update something becomes op or too good and sometimes up or not very useful. Lastly WoW has changed the classes mechanically usually during a expansion release , so a Fury Warrior now is much different before in Burning Crusade,the first expansion. Pretty much from what another person said. Still Dust is primary a PVP game so a balance changes effects a the entire population. The problem with games like the one I referenced to though is despite the fact that Halo is a pretty straight forward game, it's a relatively boring game. Sure it's fun, but eventually you become very "meh" to the experience over time. Even though Halo 4 introduced a leveling system where you can unlock perks kind of like Call of Duty, the leveling system can easily be maxed out once you have played enough online multiplayer and spartan-ops mission and then you become bored. Dust on the other hand, despite that its mechanics are very complex by nature, is the kind of game that endures on its own because you will always have something to train to. Currently, it would take approximately 7 years for a dedicated Dust player to max out every level of every skill book that can be trained in the game. Maybe 5 years if you account for the events that reward us with SP. To someone who is not an Eve Online player, 5 years is a long time to train but at least you get to try out something different every day and this is just with the skills we have now. Interestingly CCP is able to hotfix a new skill book into the game like they did with the Nova Knife Fitting Optimization. Eve Online also happens to be 11 years old and there is still NO ONE who has yet to max out every skill book in that game. NO ONE! The highest recorded SP for any one character in Eve Online was reported to have about 170-200 million lifetime SP. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.