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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1909	Posted - 2014.10.07 13:35:00 - [1] - Quote Its so clearly OP its not even debatable! At first I was trying to use it at long ranges, aiming down the sight and I was struggling to get easy hits like I had seen others do. I thought, that's odd. So I continued to use it like a long range pew pew gun, and I did get some lol kills at crazy range. Head shots especially were very very rewarding. Then I used it just hip firing close to mid range, oh my god this is when it becomes so ridiculous. Bare in mind that I use KB/M so I get no aim assist, but even so it seems like the BP rounds have their own aim assist! It seemed to hit things it should not be hitting, getting hits with hip fire was just too easy! It was dealing crazy damage. It needs a serious damage reduction. This got me thinking, maybe one of the biggest problems with rail guns and bolt pistol weaponry is the fact that the actual projectile shot out of them is actually quite large and seems to have its own surface area. Other weapons seems like they fire "lines" that either hit or miss. The bolt pistol and other rail weaponry seems like it fires actual large projectiles that can hit, even if you should have missed! TLDR - Any scrub can kill with the LOL OP Bolt Pistol. (And it has got to the point where that seems to be what most if not the vast majority are using now) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3433	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:10:00 - [2] - Quote This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1909	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:15:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. You do not need math to know when a new weapon is over powered. I can feel the obvious difference. The fact that so many people have flocked to the bolt pistol should tell you everything you need to know as well. Rattati has already said that he understands that the BP needs a nerf. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1008	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:20:00 - [4] - Quote 1st: Math is not infallible, It's only as comprehensive as the one who modeled the equation. 2nd: Like so many weapons in this game, the bolt pistol uses hit scan mechanics. Combine hit scan mechanics with graphics that don't synch up or lag and you have bullets that hit even when the animation misses. "Bigger bullet" lol What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1909	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:22:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. Oh by the way I just checked out the statistics and math you posted in the thread over in F&I D. Interesting that certain resistances are not working for sentinels. I'm not saying I think it is working outside of its specs, I am saying it is ridiculously easy to use and does way too much damage. I can only imagine what someone really used to aim assist can do with that thing. The only downside I could appreciably feel was a lack of ammo. (Bare in mind I had 0 skills in that particular spec of the weapon) "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 477	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:26:00 - [6] - Quote The weapon is king at Alpha striking ... after 4 shots or more then one person your fighting it's not that great as everyone is witch hunting over. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 192	Posted - 2014.10.07 14:50:00 - [7] - Quote I used the Bolt and Ion Pistol for the first time a week before Delta dropped. Ion was terrible due to the dispersion being worse than a blaster tank, and the BP did underwhelming damage so it was more of a finisher. Now, both guns are much much better, but the TTK on the Bolt is just amazeballs. It's basically PRO shotgun damage in a sniper pistol that hipfires better than a Breach AR. Bolt is no longer just a finisher. OHK scouts, and you can solo commandos and heavies HEAD-ON. My suggestion for the Bolt Pistol, would be to make it semi-auto. Part of the reason everyone uses it is the fact you can hold down R1 while aiming and empty the entire clip. Make it work more like a breach ScP to dial down the scrubiness.
valad II NoGameNoLife 257	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:00:00 - [8] - Quote So are you saying that the only counter to a bolt pistol is another bolt pistol. OMG OMG OMG OMG The sky is falling.
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4037	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:05:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. It 2-3 shots everything. Math. In all seriousness though, I'm not sure why they changed this weapon so much. It needed a tiny buff, but not like this. If they keep the damage as it is I think the only way to fix the pistol is to make the hipfire worse. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:12:00 - [10] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. sniper rifle damage as sidearm is all "math" you need. in short: your point is invalid.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1240	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:16:00 - [11] - Quote With a name like Commander Bolt , you wouldn't think that the Op would make such a post but .. whatever . I'm not disagreeing with you OP but they said that the bolt was a work in progress and their making the adjustments . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3437	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:22:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. It 2-3 shots everything. Math. In all seriousness though, I'm not sure why they changed this weapon so much. It needed a tiny buff, but not like this. If they keep the damage as it is I think the only way to fix the pistol is to make the hipfire worse. it took seven shots to body shot down a Militia sh*tfit sentinel. it took three headshots in a row. and that was on a bugged amsent who's resistances weren't working properly. So given that everyone claims the Bolt pistol is 1-3 shotting EVERYTHING that means someone successfully inserted a headshot bot into the CCP server.
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4038	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:26:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. It 2-3 shots everything. Math. In all seriousness though, I'm not sure why they changed this weapon so much. It needed a tiny buff, but not like this. If they keep the damage as it is I think the only way to fix the pistol is to make the hipfire worse. it took seven shots to body shot down a Militia shtfit sentinel. it took three headshots in a row. and that was on a bugged amsent who's resistances weren't working properly. So given that everyone claims the Bolt pistol is 1-3 shotting EVERYTHING that means someone successfully inserted a headshot bot into the CCP server. I was joking man. I know it's not 3 shotting sentinels, but it is messing mediums and lights like there is no tomorrow. It needs to be looked at because it is working far to good at CQC. "I do agree with you there though. shudders*" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 594	Posted - 2014.10.07 15:32:00 - [14] - Quote I can two shot medium suits with a militia bolt pistol, taking like 5 seconds if that. No other sidearm at that level is as ridiculous. "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3445	Posted - 2014.10.07 16:25:00 - [15] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I can two shot medium suits with a militia bolt pistol, taking like 5 seconds if that. No other sidearm at that level is as ridiculous. not mine you can't. not without headshots. with headshots the scrambler can oneshot them.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1915	Posted - 2014.10.07 16:56:00 - [16] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: With a name like Commander Bolt , you wouldn't think that the Op would make such a post but .. whatever . I'm not disagreeing with you OP but they said that the bolt was a work in progress and their making the adjustments . Well I had considered going for the naming rights considering my name haha :P (I was around a long time before the Bolt pistol btw) However as soon as it became FOTM and everyone started using the damn things, I knew I had no chance. I barely had any chance as it was anyway if I am honest I just dont have the skill, the patience or the time to play downtime to downtime. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1242	Posted - 2014.10.07 19:22:00 - [17] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: With a name like Commander Bolt , you wouldn't think that the Op would make such a post but .. whatever . I'm not disagreeing with you OP but they said that the bolt was a work in progress and their making the adjustments . Well I had considered going for the naming rights considering my name haha :P (I was around a long time before the Bolt pistol btw) However as soon as it became FOTM and everyone started using the damn things, I knew I had no chance. I barely had any chance as it was anyway if I am honest I just dont have the skill, the patience or the time to play downtime to downtime. IKR . That should let you know how popular and loved you are though , this weapon is your namesake nonetheless . They owe you for that and me for the Shinobi challenge . We won't get paid though . Edit : CCP I would have just excepted a skill point refund for those who would like and we will be squared . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Gaius Calinus Incarnation Soldiers 14	Posted - 2014.10.07 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Its so clearly OP its not even debatable! TLDR - Any scrub can kill with the LOL OP Bolt Pistol. (And it has got to the point where that seems to be what most if not the vast majority are using now) Any scrubs? It's getting even worse... We have meanwhile T3 sentinels running around with 2 BP instead of a regular HMG/FG! How ridiculous is it necessary to become before evbd. accept the facts? Will it be enough at the point when a tanker jumps out of his HAV to "blast away" evrthng.with the BP? Hail Caldari !! Hail to the Caldari State !!!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4045	Posted - 2014.10.07 20:45:00 - [19] - Quote Are there people actually arguing that the bolt pistol is not OP? I thought everyone knew this already. Bolt pistol is OP. We'll fix it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 460	Posted - 2014.10.07 20:48:00 - [20] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. Lol, your mom was refuted by math. Ba dum bump. Yes, you can use the bolt pistol like a regular rifle at range and get headshots without sighting. I know because just this morning I suddenly became a boss with it for three headshot kills at the range that even my rail rifle could hardly do that kind of damage with that kind of accuracy. It was the basic bolt pistol with only lvl one skill investment. Yeah, f*ck math. Seeing this and the abundance of its use is believing. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN

LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 644	Posted - 2014.10.07 21:27:00 - [21] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: The weapon is king at Alpha striking ... after 4 shots or more then one person your fighting it's not that great as everyone is witch hunting over. Then you realize they have a Rail Rifle so they don't have to wait for the reload... Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 644	Posted - 2014.10.07 21:28:00 - [22] - Quote Also, try the breach SMG. It's great up close. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1010	Posted - 2014.10.07 22:05:00 - [23] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: I can two shot medium suits with a militia bolt pistol, taking like 5 seconds if that. No other sidearm at that level is as ridiculous. I can think of many weapons in dust that can kill you in 5 seconds or less. And yes, there are other sidearms with TTKs less or equal to 5 seconds. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1010	Posted - 2014.10.07 22:08:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Are there people actually arguing that the bolt pistol is not OP? I thought everyone knew this already. Bolt pistol is OP. We'll fix it. As a CPM member, I am disappointed that you are not keeping an open mind. Even if you reached your own conclusions already, you should always be open to new ideas or the possibility that you were mistaken. Now please link or write up a strong solid argument for or against the bolt pistol being OP. Because I've yet to see any strong solid argument on the subject. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 361	Posted - 2014.10.07 22:46:00 - [25] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: TLDR - Any scrub can kill with the LOL OP Bolt Pistol. (And it has got to the point where that seems to be what most if not the vast majority are using now) Any scrub can kill anything with any gun in the game.... I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor The best strategy is not to wear pants Most overhyped by Gabriella Grey
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 221	Posted - 2014.10.08 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: TLDR - Any scrub can kill with the LOL OP Bolt Pistol. (And it has got to the point where that seems to be what most if not the vast majority are using now) Any scrub can kill anything with any gun in the game.... The bolt pistol is the worst though. Any scrub can pick it up and instantly become a professional gun-slinging space cowboy. That thing is practically 75% aim assist and bullet magnetism. I picked it up a few days ago to see what all this madness was about, and it's definitely too strong. You don't even need to aim for the head, body shots are sufficient enough. Everyone flocks to the bolt pistol because there is no point in using any other sidearm when comparing them to the BoP. I can wait an entire hour in about 10 minutes. Impressive, i know.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 248	Posted - 2014.10.08 01:05:00 - [27] - Quote Gaius Calinus wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Its so clearly OP its not even debatable! TLDR - Any scrub can kill with the LOL OP Bolt Pistol. (And it has got to the point where that seems to be what most if not the vast majority are using now) Any scrubs? It's getting even worse... We have meanwhile T3 sentinels running around with 2 BP instead of a regular HMG/FG! How ridiculous is it necessary to become before evbd. accept the facts? Will it be enough at the point when a tanker jumps out of his HAV to "blast away" evrthng.with the BP? run around in a full BPO sent with 2 bolts because giggles and ***** Bring back the Marauders, Enforcers, Logistic, and Scout LAVS and Dropships
mollerz 5474	Posted - 2014.10.08 03:56:00 - [28] - Quote I feel a flaylock nerf coming on.. I'm seriously fukn serious
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 93	Posted - 2014.10.08 07:36:00 - [29] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. 1+1=2, BP is OP. Proved with math. Sorry for my bad english ^^
Kira Takizawa The Exemplars 204	Posted - 2014.10.08 08:11:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This statement has been refuted with math. Present your evidence. With math. It 2-3 shots everything. Math. In all seriousness though, I'm not sure why they changed this weapon so much. It needed a tiny buff, but not like this. If they keep the damage as it is I think the only way to fix the pistol is to make the hipfire worse. it took seven shots to body shot down a Militia sh*tfit sentinel. it took three headshots in a row. and that was on a bugged amsent who's resistances weren't working properly. So given that everyone claims the Bolt pistol is 1-3 shotting EVERYTHING that means someone successfully inserted a headshot bot into the CCP server. I was joking man. I know it's not 3 shotting sentinels, but it is messing mediums and lights like there is no tomorrow. It needs to be looked at because it is working far to good at CQC. I have 1 shotted a sentinel before with an advanced BP



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