DUST Search - Merging the past and present: Vehicles and AV

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Screw pre-1.7 infantry AV. Swarms locking at 400m and 600m forgers are not wanted.

While I'm all for adding more variety with vehicle mods, I can't see them being useful due to the fitting and number of slots current vehicles have. There's just no room to fit acceptable defenses and all these extra things. I'm also not fond of the previous mechanics of vehicle repairs; I'd rather have them be "turrets." I'm afraid rebalancing vehicles with more mods in mind might take another 1.7-like update.

Though I'm sure things like turret variants and specialist vehicles could be reintroduced pretty easily.

Marauders had MASSIVE CPU/PG and +2 fitting slots over the gunnlogi and maddy.

Tge sagaris took 5-6 shots from a single forge to kill. The surya took 7. And you had to get the shots off BEFORE the driver reacted and commenced reps.

In short, they were beasts. Normally it took teams to kill them. I was able to figure out how to hunt them pretty consistently solo. I also never figured out where the weakpount was until I took the time to look In hotfix charlie.

But realistically reintroducing them could be easily viable so long as we buffed all AV and added HP to dropships and screw LAVs. Cheapfits with no tank don't deserve to survive AV.

The important thing would be bufffing the dropships to account fir improved TTK although resistance modules might make up for a lot of thwir current failpoints.

It's all a matter of whether rattati has the resources to do it and if he CAN make it a prioruty.

Fighting marauders was fun for me.

Bluntly I would balance mads vs. Proto AV, enforcers vs adv but give them the gank to hunt tanks and the elevation to shoot dropships (with weak tank so they can be popped easier) think a combination of WW2 tank destroyers and a ZSU. And make enforcers cheap as hell. Expendable deathmobiles that get blown up easy but hit like trucks.

Make gunnlogi and madrugars balanced vwrsus ADV AV somewhere as the average and balance the soma and sica off std/mlt weapons.

Then adjust the ADS and dropships so they have the same TTK with the new AV. One of the few AV issues in chrome was the faxt that AV was buffed to meet and fight the HAVs but the dropshipa were forgotten and overpriced.

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The True Inferno Myrmidon Syndicate 72	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:41:00 - [1] - Quote Currently, the vehicles of now feel mundane and boring, given the lack of turrets, modules, slots and variations of vehicles.-á So, what I suggest is merging-ávehicles pre-1.7 and present. Aswell, at the same time, doing the same to AV. This would be reintroducing: Armor/shield resistance module Slow shield boosters Shield regenirators Active Armor reps Overdrives Nano-fibers Armor/Shield transporters Turret Damage Amplifiers Heat Sinks Spool Reduction Tracking Enhancers Tracking Computers Damage Control Units Expansion Units Powergrid Diagnostic Systems All turret variants -á More powerful AV All the old vehicle variants More vehicle module slots and CPU/PG And more! With the items and changes being introduced current modules and skills will have to be balanced. Consequences to not balance could include: Hexa-stacked maddy Extreme vehicle denial 8000hp tank-á Invincible logi-lavs And more! So to start this off,-ápassive armor reps! These would require a reduce of the amount rep and have increase stacking penalties and a possible reduction of the repairing skill bonus due to the increased For example:-á -10% rep rate -25% stacking penalty Logistics LAV Change the vehicles base resistances and reduce speed, buff/change built in module - give old slot layout Marauder tank Due to my limited knowledge I cannot provide much of balance, but of what I current know I would suggest a speed reduction - give old slot layout Blaster turrets(both small and large) Keep base variant the same, increase spread of scattered, have stabilized -áequal the old accuracy and increased range, compressed stays same. Missile turret(both small and large) Slightly increase base variant splash area, decrease speed of-áFragmented missiles, keep cycle and accelerate the same, add possible locking on variant(eg giant swarm launcher) Swarms and forge Change to 1.4 - 1.6 settings Enforcer-á Limited knowledge-á-á- give old slot layout Logistics drop ship Add team spawn points to CRU and add built in scans - give old slot layout Scout LAV Add built in scans and booster, decease collision damage with map-á- give old slot layout Standard tanks -á- give old slot layout Doing (most of) these changes are currently possible in a hot fix as all the current assets of these items are still in game. Please feel free to add too and change these suggestions. ScP = GÖÑ If you like chiptune An Ace Pilot
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2234	Posted - 2014.10.07 13:23:00 - [2] - Quote Screw pre-1.7 infantry AV. Swarms locking at 400m and 600m forgers are not wanted. While I'm all for adding more variety with vehicle mods, I can't see them being useful due to the fitting and number of slots current vehicles have. There's just no room to fit acceptable defenses and all these extra things. I'm also not fond of the previous mechanics of vehicle repairs; I'd rather have them be "turrets." I'm afraid rebalancing vehicles with more mods in mind might take another 1.7-like update. Though I'm sure things like turret variants and specialist vehicles could be reintroduced pretty easily. Dust was real! I was there! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3433	Posted - 2014.10.07 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Screw pre-1.7 infantry AV. Swarms locking at 400m and 600m forgers are not wanted. While I'm all for adding more variety with vehicle mods, I can't see them being useful due to the fitting and number of slots current vehicles have. There's just no room to fit acceptable defenses and all these extra things. I'm also not fond of the previous mechanics of vehicle repairs; I'd rather have them be "turrets." I'm afraid rebalancing vehicles with more mods in mind might take another 1.7-like update. Though I'm sure things like turret variants and specialist vehicles could be reintroduced pretty easily. Marauders had MASSIVE CPU/PG and +2 fitting slots over the gunnlogi and maddy. Tge sagaris took 5-6 shots from a single forge to kill. The surya took 7. And you had to get the shots off BEFORE the driver reacted and commenced reps. In short, they were beasts. Normally it took teams to kill them. I was able to figure out how to hunt them pretty consistently solo. I also never figured out where the weakpount was until I took the time to look In hotfix charlie. But realistically reintroducing them could be easily viable so long as we buffed all AV and added HP to dropships and screw LAVs. Cheapfits with no tank don't deserve to survive AV. The important thing would be bufffing the dropships to account fir improved TTK although resistance modules might make up for a lot of thwir current failpoints. It's all a matter of whether rattati has the resources to do it and if he CAN make it a prioruty. Fighting marauders was fun for me. Bluntly I would balance mads vs. Proto AV, enforcers vs adv but give them the gank to hunt tanks and the elevation to shoot dropships (with weak tank so they can be popped easier) think a combination of WW2 tank destroyers and a ZSU. And make enforcers cheap as hell. Expendable deathmobiles that get blown up easy but hit like trucks. Make gunnlogi and madrugars balanced vwrsus ADV AV somewhere as the average and balance the soma and sica off std/mlt weapons. Then adjust the ADS and dropships so they have the same TTK with the new AV. One of the few AV issues in chrome was the faxt that AV was buffed to meet and fight the HAVs but the dropshipa were forgotten and overpriced.
The True Inferno Myrmidon Syndicate 73	Posted - 2014.10.08 23:49:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Screw pre-1.7 infantry AV. Swarms locking at 400m and 600m forgers are not wanted. While I'm all for adding more variety with vehicle mods, I can't see them being useful due to the fitting and number of slots current vehicles have. There's just no room to fit acceptable defenses and all these extra things. I'm also not fond of the previous mechanics of vehicle repairs; I'd rather have them be "turrets." I'm afraid rebalancing vehicles with more mods in mind might take another 1.7-like update. Though I'm sure things like turret variants and specialist vehicles could be reintroduced pretty easily. Marauders had MASSIVE CPU/PG and +2 fitting slots over the gunnlogi and maddy. Tge sagaris took 5-6 shots from a single forge to kill. The surya took 7. And you had to get the shots off BEFORE the driver reacted and commenced reps. In short, they were beasts. Normally it took teams to kill them. I was able to figure out how to hunt them pretty consistently solo. I also never figured out where the weakpount was until I took the time to look In hotfix charlie. But realistically reintroducing them could be easily viable so long as we buffed all AV and added HP to dropships and screw LAVs. Cheapfits with no tank don't deserve to survive AV. The important thing would be bufffing the dropships to account fir improved TTK although resistance modules might make up for a lot of thwir current failpoints. It's all a matter of whether rattati has the resources to do it and if he CAN make it a prioruty. Fighting marauders was fun for me. Bluntly I would balance mads vs. Proto AV, enforcers vs adv but give them the gank to hunt tanks and the elevation to shoot dropships (with weak tank so they can be popped easier) think a combination of WW2 tank destroyers and a ZSU. And make enforcers cheap as hell. Expendable deathmobiles that get blown up easy but hit like trucks. Make gunnlogi and madrugars balanced vwrsus ADV AV somewhere as the average and balance the soma and sica off std/mlt weapons. Then adjust the ADS and dropships so they have the same TTK with the new AV. One of the few AV issues in chrome was the faxt that AV was buffed to meet and fight the HAVs but the dropshipa were forgotten and overpriced. Well said, I mostly agree, enforcers should not be cheap, make them the same price as pre hot fix ADS and vehicle to AV balancing should be also dependedate on modules. A possible balance to marauders would be to reduce their speed so they cannot back out of combat(eg hightail it and run) as fast as a normal tank. Dropships should have set natural damage resistance bonuses like the logistics LAV so that they can at least run away from the new AV, 10-20% resistance on shield or armor(depending on galentte or caldari) would be nice. ScP = GÖÑ If you like chiptune An Ace Pilot


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