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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2014.10.07 08:45:00 -
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Basically i'm getting back on today after an extended leave, and I'm really torn on whether i should get a proto suit, more proto weapons or to invest in vehicles.
I take these suits to Proto: minamatar scout, min commando, min heavy, min assault, amarr logi, caldari logi, caldari assault, ammarr assault, amarr heavy, gal scout
Obviously every weapon to proto.
Top up my EWAR.
Or invest more into my dropship and vehicles.
I love my incubus, and i've been a PC transport pilot, and it took me a year to get into the ADS (with some encouragement from Judge and Evo). That being said I can't help but feel every scrap of isk, time and SP invested has been wasted. I'll see for my self how strong swarms are today, but if its anything like i've been reading on the forums, the only point to flying now is to beat up on newberries.
Basically i'll need PG upgrade of course, Armor plates, and Reps, Pro burner, Pro fitting optimization for my flying pinata.
Your ideas?
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
423
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:08:00 -
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if being swarmed by a swarmer kill him with missiles. sml missiles have the range/explosion radius to kill an attacking swarmer.
so many people neglect to think that instead of simply running away at first sign of being attacked. its genrally better to outright kill the guy attempting to kill you. oh wait.....that involes risk..... how many people do that now?.
running away and dieing from not removeing dps that's killing you. or kill the attacking swarmer and decrease dps to survive.
also. if your going ads I recommend at least having xt missiles. these have nice punch......to add insuklt to injury. python.with a missile amp :). or if your like me and a **** at flying and like lots of hp/reps/missile amp. incubus....with xt missile.(only have these at proto for my triple xt gunnlogi.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3544
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:08:00 -
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To have a dropship that will last longer than a Minmatar Scout on steriods, your gonna need more than 3mill SP into it.
First of all you need to decide shield or Armour, in the current iteration, shields all the way personally.
You need will power management for your tank type. In the case of shields you will need dramatically improved cooldown periods and you need to reduce the penalties your extenders give.
If you feel upto the challange do it, but be prepared to loose a lot of money. My 250K ISK wallet will attest to that.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
85
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:19:00 -
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If you put it into vehicles do Vehicle Upgrades so if you don't feel like taking the chance on burning isk you can still get an advantage even in mil vehicles.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
207
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:50:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:To have a dropship that will last longer than a Minmatar Scout on steriods, your gonna need more than 3mill SP into it.
First of all you need to decide shield or Armour, in the current iteration, shields all the way personally.
You need will power management for your tank type. In the case of shields you will need dramatically improved cooldown periods and you need to reduce the penalties your extenders give.
If you feel upto the challange do it, but be prepared to loose a lot of money. My 250K ISK wallet will attest to that.
I've already got most the turrets and modules up to the ADV level. I can fly either a Python or a Inc, the Inc i got to level 3, the python to level 1, and damn glad i didnt take it further before my break from Dust. I feel you on the wallet score. Funny how regularly my impossible to kill dropship went down. I'm wondering if its worth taking it any farther, and should i give it a rest for now.
As a rail pilot, i wasn't going around beating on infantry with the XT-1s, no offesnse but they felt like the shotgun scout of the air.
Cooldown are a good tip though. I'm invested mostly in creating HP buffers.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3431
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:04:00 -
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Ads have to be incredibly aggressive and proactive like apache pilots. Risk aversion and panicky AV aversion results in expensive crashes.
Forge guns are still the most likely to kill you. If you don't get the drop on them you will be forced to retreat and make multiple attack runs to kill them.
Hovering like a tool is basically hanging meat around your neck to go hug a polar bear. People like myself will burn you down for the funzies. |
poison Diego
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
450
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:12:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if being swarmed by a swarmer kill him with missiles. sml missiles have the range/explosion radius to kill an attacking swarmer.
so many people neglect to think that instead of simply running away at first sign of being attacked. its genrally better to outright kill the guy attempting to kill you. oh wait.....that involes risk..... how many people do that now?.
running away and dieing from not removeing dps that's killing you. or kill the attacking swarmer and decrease dps to survive.
also. if your going ads I recommend at least having xt missiles. these have nice punch......to add insuklt to injury. python.with a missile amp :). or if your like me and a **** at flying and like lots of hp/reps/missile amp. incubus....with xt missile.(only have these at proto for my triple xt gunnlogi.
Are you being serious right now? You dont think we try? with militia and and scouts it is no problem but when you have stacked commandos and medium protos dong it, and I need to hit 3-4 times it gets a little tougher with this low health and low RoF. If he has a proto swarm launcher he needs 3 hits on me ish, you expect me to get hit, brought down to 1400 shield, turn around and give him hell WAY before he gets me? not going to happen.. He will get off those 3 swarms no matter what if he is the one getting the jump on me, which is certainly more often the case.
To you Alem, they are fun to run around with in skirmish where you can jump from point to point. In dom you will loose it.
I give up
R.I.P ADS
getting more proficiency in the shotgun so I can kill every single f*ck I see using swarmlauncher
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3431
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:17:00 -
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I notice most ADS pilots never use hardeners.
Non troll question: why is that? Python hardener is A 60% flat damage reduction. On top of -20% to swarms and -10% to forge.
Is it a fitting issue? |
poison Diego
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
450
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I notice most ADS pilots never use hardeners.
Non troll question: why is that? Python hardener is A 60% flat damage reduction. On top of -20% to swarms and -10% to forge.
Is it a fitting issue?
It is 40% reduction and Its not worth it since you most often activate when you have already been hit, which gives you 40% off 1000 shields
I give up
R.I.P ADS
getting more proficiency in the shotgun so I can kill every single f*ck I see using swarmlauncher
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
207
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I notice most ADS pilots never use hardeners.
Non troll question: why is that? Python hardener is A 60% flat damage reduction. On top of -20% to swarms and -10% to forge.
Is it a fitting issue?
Every ADS requires a PG module to fit either a heavy plate or a heavy Sheild extender. Generally ADS have 1 afterburner
The Incubus has 3 lows, so after you have one plate and one PG extender, you need a Repper. No room for a armor hardener. If you se an incubus with one, he's got either low HP or no reps, easy pickings.
The python has the flexibility to use one, or a shield booster. I've seen the hardener used well proactively, but as a reactive defensive measure its crap. Don't take my word for it though I don't fly the python that much, it goes down very easily.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Atiim
12811
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:18:00 -
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If you meet the criteria:
- Not a scrublord
- Knows what they're doing
- Willing to die 1-2 times a match
- Doesn't rely on Afterburners to carry them
- Knows when and where to engage/disengage
Then, yes, investing into Assault Dropships is worth it.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
207
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If you meet the criteria:
- Not a scrublord
- Knows what they're doing
- Willing to die 1-2 times a match
- Doesn't rely on Afterburners to carry them
- Knows when and where to engage/disengage
Then, yes, investing into Assault Dropships is worth it.
I dont take advice from someone who has been trolling pilots for the last couple weeks.
Breaking Stuff aint no pilot, but he's put in the time and effort to look at ADS vs AV. His opinion i value, yours i do not.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Juno Tristan
Inner.Hell
100
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:59:00 -
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I created an alt just to pilot and would say that it's worth it, playing the same maps/weapons/redberries gets boring after a while, ADS adds some variety.
If you're running an incubus I'd recommend getting reps up to 5 and pair with a light shield booster, activate when low on armour to give the reps more time.
Also know where the mcc is at all times because that thing is like the iceberg that sank the titanic, one graze and you're down |
Juno Tristan
Inner.Hell
100
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I notice most ADS pilots never use hardeners.
Non troll question: why is that? Python hardener is A 60% flat damage reduction. On top of -20% to swarms and -10% to forge.
Is it a fitting issue?
Most of the time it's because you don't know where you're being shot from, damage doesn't register direction or invisible swarms so stay and fight isn't really an option
As for activating before attacking a group, generally you have to get low to attack and the low altitude makes it hard to YOLO away after. Plus it announces to everyone "ready your swarms for a shall soon be defenseless" |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
974
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:35:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Basically i'm getting back on today after an extended leave, and I'm really torn on whether i should get a proto suit, more proto weapons or to invest in vehicles.
I take these suits to Proto: minamatar scout, min commando, min heavy, min assault, amarr logi, caldari logi, caldari assault, ammarr assault, amarr heavy, gal scout
Obviously every weapon to proto.
Top up my EWAR.
Or invest more into my dropship and vehicles.
I love my incubus, and i've been a PC transport pilot, and it took me a year to get into the ADS (with some encouragement from Judge and Evo). That being said I can't help but feel every scrap of isk, time and SP invested has been wasted. I'll see for my self how strong swarms are today, but if its anything like i've been reading on the forums, the only point to flying now is to beat up on newberries.
Basically i'll need PG upgrade of course, Armor plates, and Reps, Pro burner, Pro fitting optimization for my flying pinata.
Your ideas?
no ADS is not worth it but if you do want to go down that route you need maybe 10m sp and go for the gallente one as the python is gimped as all hell now
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Level 2 Forum Pariah
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1240
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:52:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
I've already got most the turrets and modules up to the ADV level. I can fly either a Python or a Inc, the Inc i got to level 3, the python to level 1, and damn glad i didnt take it further before my break from Dust. I feel you on the wallet score. Funny how regularly my impossible to kill dropship went down. I'm wondering if its worth taking it any farther, and should i give it a rest for now.
As a rail pilot, i wasn't going around beating on infantry with the XT-1s, no offesnse but they felt like the shotgun scout of the air.
Cooldown are a good tip though. I'm invested mostly in creating HP buffers.
See , this is why I don't answer to these OP's .
If your this invested then you already know the answer , all you have to do is not invest , take some time flying ... you said you just came back so spam derps .
In my mind your just testing the climate and gaining tactical advice for if you need to change up your approach or not and if so , how ?
People start out like they have no idea and when you ruffle some feathers or such , then they want to tell you that their advanced or level 4 in such and such ( not just talking about you OP ) , then I always say to myself .. " why ask ? " , they already know the answer to the question most of the time .
People respond , trying to be helpful not knowing and sounding concerned .. get shot down quickly and such , I read OP's like this and for the most part see the same thing .
It kind of hurts those who are really looking for advice .
Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1909
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:18:00 -
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You really dont need pro afterburner, save your self some SP there. The basic works great coupled with good cooldown skill. I think ADS can be a lot more SP than people think but there are ways to cut corners and begin from the bottom (obviously).
As for is it worth it? If you enjoy flying yes.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1909
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:22:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Atiim wrote:If you meet the criteria:
- Not a scrublord
- Knows what they're doing
- Willing to die 1-2 times a match
- Doesn't rely on Afterburners to carry them
- Knows when and where to engage/disengage
Then, yes, investing into Assault Dropships is worth it. I dont take advice from someone who has been trolling pilots for the last couple weeks. Breaking Stuff aint no pilot, but he's put in the time and effort to look at ADS vs AV. His opinion i value, yours i do not.
Atiim`s just , just............. #sigh#....., don't worry this is normal operating procedure for him.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2234
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
Doesn't rely on Afterburners to carry them
UghGǪ Implying it's possible to survive without an afterburner. AV is designed to kill friggen tanks, an ADS is never going to fit enough EHP to effectively tank anything. The only reason dropships fit defensive mods is to try and survive long enough to get out of range of AV. (I don't even know why I bother respondingGǪ)
To the OP:
If you have the patience (and the wallet) to master flying, you can be a great tactical asset to whatever team you're on. It takes a lot more practice and thought than AV it has in the past (which even then too a lot), but it's a lot of fun once you get it.
I must warn you though, it's going to take a lot more SP than 3m to get in a decent ADS. Maybe I should have read the OPGǪ
For the Incubus, you'll need armor fitting 3 to fit arguably the best Incubus fit (lvl4 for an ADV AB). After that, get vehicle repairs and armor comp to at least 3, 4 if you can. Vehicle core skills are nice too. I would hold off on the Incubus skill for now since rails are not too good right now. Turret reloads are also important.
Remember: the key to flying is to throw your ship at the ground and miss. Keep crashing ADSs until you miss.
Dust was real! I was there!
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
2157
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:33:00 -
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lolno
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
2157
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:37:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Atiim wrote:If you meet the criteria:
- Not a scrublord
- Knows what they're doing
- Willing to die 1-2 times a match
- Doesn't rely on Afterburners to carry them
- Knows when and where to engage/disengage
Then, yes, investing into Assault Dropships is worth it. I dont take advice from someone who has been trolling pilots for the last couple weeks. Breaking Stuff aint no pilot, but he's put in the time and effort to look at ADS vs AV. His opinion i value, yours i do not. Weeks?! Just weeks? It's been at least a year we've had to suffer with him getting to talk to CCP, while pilots get completely ignored.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2234
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:37:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:You really dont need pro afterburner, save your self some SP there. The basic works great coupled with good cooldown skill. I think ADS can be a lot more SP than people think but there are ways to cut corners and begin from the bottom (obviously).
As for is it worth it? If you enjoy flying yes.
You still need that skill because it gets you proto PG/CPU upgrades as well, plus unlocks the cool down/ up time skills.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
208
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:40:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
If your this invested then you already know the answer , all you have to do is not invest , take some time flying ... you said you just came back so spam derps .
In my mind your just testing the climate and gaining tactical advice for if you need to change up your approach or not and if so , how ? .
Hry, i get exactly what your saying. I do have some experience in flying, but my questions was more for finding advice from the other pilots. Tactical flying advice is always welcome, but if there is some parts of thier SP investment (from adv to pro tier levels) they feel wasn't worth it then i would like to dodge that pitfall and increase my suit/ weapon variety.
That being said, i've never shirked from putting my own ADS on the line, whether its to kill uplinks and roof campers, hunting for snipers, or chase away the other ADS attacking my friendlies. I'm not sure of whther this burst of SP spending will make any sort of difference in my ADV survivability. Thats where the Proto pilots come in.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
149
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:41:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Basically i'm getting back on today after an extended leave, and I'm really torn on whether i should get a proto suit, more proto weapons or to invest in vehicles.
I take these suits to Proto: minamatar scout, min commando, min heavy, min assault, amarr logi, caldari logi, caldari assault, ammarr assault, amarr heavy, gal scout
Obviously every weapon to proto.
Top up my EWAR.
Or invest more into my dropship and vehicles.
I love my incubus, and i've been a PC transport pilot, and it took me a year to get into the ADS (with some encouragement from Judge and Evo). That being said I can't help but feel every scrap of isk, time and SP invested has been wasted. I'll see for my self how strong swarms are today, but if its anything like i've been reading on the forums, the only point to flying now is to beat up on newberries.
Basically i'll need PG upgrade of course, Armor plates, and Reps, Pro burner, Pro fitting optimization for my flying pinata.
Your ideas?
I actualy like this boyo, after long time matee who understand Philosophy behind Dropship (its DROPSHIP not a Bombship or Battleship), i givin' him 8 pirate flags from 10
But honestly dropship were OP like hell, bombards instead of proper support role. Yesterday i actually first time saw two boyos using that in proper way like TRANSPORT and not like Attack ships.
Matee give question to yourself, do you support idea of "flying taxis" like Taxis or Something else?!
Every vehicle shoud have proper counter, if you have problem with flying somewhere behind solid structure for cover, u r basicaly on the way to oblivion
"Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Tinker of HAWC"
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1909
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:43:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:You really dont need pro afterburner, save your self some SP there. The basic works great coupled with good cooldown skill. I think ADS can be a lot more SP than people think but there are ways to cut corners and begin from the bottom (obviously).
As for is it worth it? If you enjoy flying yes.
You still need that skill because it gets you proto PG/CPU upgrades as well, plus unlocks the cool down/ up time skills.
Ah its been so long since I had to worry about skills.
Yea dont even attempt to fit a Python without a prototype power-grid upgrade, its ******* ridiculous.
You cant even fit full proto on the Python, its a silly design.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
208
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:01:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Basically i'm getting back on today after an extended leave, and I'm really torn on whether i should get a proto suit, more proto weapons or to invest in vehicles.
I take these suits to Proto: minamatar scout, min commando, min heavy, min assault, amarr logi, caldari logi, caldari assault, ammarr assault, amarr heavy, gal scout
Obviously every weapon to proto.
Top up my EWAR.
Or invest more into my dropship and vehicles.
I love my incubus, and i've been a PC transport pilot, and it took me a year to get into the ADS (with some encouragement from Judge and Evo). That being said I can't help but feel every scrap of isk, time and SP invested has been wasted. I'll see for my self how strong swarms are today, but if its anything like i've been reading on the forums, the only point to flying now is to beat up on newberries.
Basically i'll need PG upgrade of course, Armor plates, and Reps, Pro burner, Pro fitting optimization for my flying pinata.
Your ideas?
I actualy like this boyo, after long time matee who understand Philosophy behind Dropship (its DROPSHIP not a Bombship or Battleship), i givin' him 8 pirate flags from 10But honestly dropship were OP like hell, bombards instead of proper support role. Yesterday i actually first time saw two boyos using that in proper way like TRANSPORT and not like Attack ships. Matee give question to yourself, do you support idea of "flying taxis" like Taxis or Something else?! Every vehicle shoud have proper counter, if you have problem with flying somewhere behind solid structure for cover, u r basicaly on the way to oblivion
I can fly the transport ship anywhere on the map. My philosphy for flying low and slow in a transport ship was and still is "anywere a tank can go i can go." What works for transport however does not work for an ADS.
I can tank a couple shots in a grimnes and losing one only hurt my ego not wallet. A decent fit gorgon works just as well. Took more risks because i could afford to. Pure support role for those ships, unfortunately not a ton of WP for vehicle support. Getting any amount of WP from kills is completley dependent on keeping someone in your ship for extended periods of time. I cannot begin to tell you how horrible that can be. Not a full time job thats for sure.
The ADS i felt was putting the defense and saftey of my ship in my own hands. I'm the one who flies the thing, I ought to be able to shoot /shoot back with it. Its the only way for the Pilot to be agressive in the air, and the best way in the air to gain WP.
I've got to try out the old transport ships, but if there's no boost to WP for vehicle support, then its something that will be limited to the very beggining of any dom/skirm. Take off from redline, land it on building, recall if you can, bail if you cant. Rinse repeat.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Atiim
12813
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:12:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote: You cant even fit full proto on the Python, its a silly design.
Nothing in the game is entitled to fitting all prototype gear without sacrificing slots to CPU/PG Upgrades.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2236
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:CommanderBolt wrote: You cant even fit full proto on the Python, its a silly design.
Nothing in the game is entitled to fitting all prototype gear without sacrificing slots to CPU/PG Upgrades. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/179/8281
(Granted this is with perfect skills)
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Atiim
12813
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:26:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Atiim wrote:CommanderBolt wrote: You cant even fit full proto on the Python, its a silly design.
Nothing in the game is entitled to fitting all prototype gear without sacrificing slots to CPU/PG Upgrades. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/179/8281(Granted this is with perfect skills) My mobile device can't view fit.
Mind writing it out manually?
The 1st Matari Commando
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2237
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:31:00 -
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@Atiim
Commando mk.0
W SL Six Kin ACR
2x Cplx Light Damage Mod
2x Cplx Reactive Armor Plate
X-3 Quantum Nanohive
(Forgot to share it, should work now)
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