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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:48:00 -
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sadly untill tanked OP assault-lite scouts get F'd with a spikey nerf-bat where the sun does not shine.. my alts will be abuseing the hell out of it as revenge for all the rage i feel about there being like 80% scouts and 1 token assault suit.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:49:00 -
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valad II wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:valad II wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:700+ eHP with a tiny hitbox is better than having 1200 HP and a huge hitbox. This is getting out of hand. Yes you can. Run 2complex damps. They obviously arent running Ewar mods. Be stealth & shotgun them to the back of the head. G-1 Series Scout 2complex damps 1 Complex Kincat 2 Complex Precision Enhancers K5 Spec. Shotgun TLO ( I think) Scrambler pistol or the Breach is hiting them Cald. pretty hard now too. Adv Cloak Compact Nano So when everyone cried about the main dropship counter being another dropship... The whole "counter to something is itself" dilemma gets a wrench thrown into it when you realize that in order for that to apply here, in this contex, vlad II would have had to recommend a 700+ eHP scout. I could be wrong, but damps/kincats/precision mods do not modify HP values (you know, with them being biotics and eWAR mods instead of shields/armour). And last time I checked... Tanked scout =/= Completely untanked scout. Unless, of course, one places all scouts as being equal, regardless of DUSTs entire fitting system. But then that begs the question as to why one would single out a specific scout fitting, when fittings are irrelevant... Counter to scout with 700+hp is not another scout with 700+hp. A counter would be dampening and precision, with speed. Thats why it is called a counter.
of gal logi suit 5 and focused active scanner.. i think only the 100% ewar scouts (ie real scouts) can avoid detection from it.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:35:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:valad II wrote:Counter to scout with 700+hp is not another scout with 700+hp. A counter would be dampening and precision, with speed. Thats why it is called a counter. The counter to paper is not paper, the counter to rock isn't rock, the counter to scissors isn't more ******* scissors. Your argument is invalid.
depends.. if your talking ORE.. then diamond as an ORE can break all other rock :P
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:44:00 -
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valad II wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:valad II wrote:Counter to scout with 700+hp is not another scout with 700+hp. A counter would be dampening and precision, with speed. Thats why it is called a counter. The counter to paper is not paper, the counter to rock isn't rock, the counter to scissors isn't more ******* scissors. Your argument is invalid. depends.. if your talking ORE.. then diamond as an ORE can break all other rock :P Sharmin butthole paper or heavy duty construction paper that has complex armor plates? I like sharmin, it doesn't leave any dingle berries.
you mean compacted cardboard (thick paper) vs 2 ply toilet paper.. what will win? :P
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:45:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Depends.. if your talking ORE.. then diamond as an ORE can break all other rock :P Let's not get technical here Apoth. We will lose valad  I tried to use simple terms, but it gave him an aneurysm. Let's have a meaningful conversation about the scout and assault role. Scouts need a light weapon, they need ewar, and cloaks. Those things make them fit neatly into their role as opportunistic ambush/recon. What they don't need is the ability to fit 700+ eHP. As a scout, tell me what would be a good way to prevent this kind of behavior. As an assault, I don't want better ewar, cloaking bonuses, or insane walk/sprint speeds. I don't want to infringe on the scout role. Can we change the assault dropsuits to make them better at their role?
well id say scout needs -1 equipment and assault needs +1
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only if amarr and caldari logi get +1 equipment at standard level to bring them to 3
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:49:00 -
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valad II wrote:
you mean compacted cardboard (thick paper) vs 2 ply toilet paper.. what will win? :P
Depends on if compacted sees the 2ply coming for him. 2 ply is squishy but dampened. I love an underdog. money is onthe 2ply butt paper. [/quote]
depending on the saturation of the 2ply it should be thrown against the cardboard and eventually could weaken the area and it would have a structural failure
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:04:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Apothecary wrote:well id say scout needs -1 equipment and assault needs +1
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only if amarr and caldari logi get +1 equipment at standard level to bring them to 3 That prevents scouts from being mini logis. How does that keep them from fitting massive tanks? Not saying it is a bad change, just playing devil's advocate.
its one small step.. maybe lower their slots and PG as ewar only takes cpu iirc.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:05:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:It's horrible, I know.
I still suggest removing an equipment and going back to the old CPU / PG of Olde.
Scout fittings were fine back then. We didn't need the buff.
maybe "light" suits stay at 2 equip.. and scout goes down to 1.. as scout is the specialist for ewar/cloak..
thes changes mean people would make a shift to the slightly subpar (on cpu) suit if they wanted the 2 slots.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:07:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:...gotdayum. Yeah, they should just retire the assault dropsuit until they figure out how to fix the scout
think i need to change my underware.. i didnt think it was possable to Brick that hard on a caldari.. i thougth the main offenders were gal/amarr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Atiim wrote:I've made scout builds with 600+ eHP that can still sprint at 8m/s. Please be overexaggerating. Link the fitting? http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/837/8224Who needs Shield Regulators and Rechargers when you have 50HP/s and a 3s delay?
i managed to get amarr scout to like 944 ehp.. and gallente with like 904ehp.. its nuts
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