DUST Search - Playing AV is like playing Goalie

shaman oga wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

But AV isn't a real specialization, like sniper is not a real specialization, except the weapon, all the other stuff is shared with normal infantry skill.
What is the point to use AV if enemy do not use vehicles?

Well I consider it a specialization if you chose what you used your SP on based on how it would help you perform your role better. Someone who plays as a sniper will not have the same modules, grenades equipment as someone who plays assault or scout. This is because they have to perform in different ways than other players. This is specialization.

This is what players who chose to place their SP into AV did. They maximized there ability to fight vehicles while neglecting their formability against infantry, or they had to grind their favorite sidearm to the peak of specialization.

Dedicated AV exists and I used to be one of them.

The skills you need to AV (except the weapon) are the same you can use against infantry, AV are weapons not a specialization, if you want to pass your time AVing is your problem.
If the other team don't use vehicles, you just have to change weapon, AV is a role, not a spec (just like sniper).
It's like someone who want to play as a sniper and complain because people stay out of his range, move on.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5399	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:18:00 - [1] - Quote You rarely score, people rarely promote you as the best of your squad and your equipment cost more than any other person's gear. There are those games that you're rarely needed and don't have opportunities to do anythin substantial for the team. Though without them the team just wouldn't be the team and for all the recognition they lack they are important. So here's to all the AV players who keep the games going and rarely get more than a surprised shrug for their efforts. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:21:00 - [2] - Quote No it's like using Messi in a FIFA game. Most OP character good at everything. Oh wait that's RR...... Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5399	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:22:00 - [3] - Quote Zindorak wrote: No it's like using Messi in a FIFA game. Most OP character good at everything. Oh wait that's RR...... Short, fast and good at CQC... Those are scouts my friend. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
valad II NoGameNoLife 197	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:23:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You rarely score, people rarely promote you as the best of your squad and your equipment cost more than any other person's gear. There are those games that you're rarely needed and don't have opportunities to do anythin substantial for the team. Though without them the team just wouldn't be the team and for all the recognition they lack they are important. So here's to all the AV players who keep the games going and rarely get more than a surprised shrug for their efforts. So True. But AV is a role that you should only pull out when needed. Not like you have to sit in your forge suit the whole match. Commandos with Swarms & any other light weapon are the most versatile.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2898	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:25:00 - [5] - Quote When i use AV, i almost always finish the match in 1st place, even if i don't destroy vehicles, those 75 WP for damage are really worth the SP spent on AV weapons/equip. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1020	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:26:00 - [6] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Zindorak wrote: No it's like using Messi in a FIFA game. Most OP character good at everything. Oh wait that's RR...... Short, fast and good at CQC... Those are scouts my friend. oh lol Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5400	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:41:00 - [7] - Quote shaman oga wrote: But AV isn't a real specialization, like sniper is not a real specialization, except the weapon, all the other stuff is shared with normal infantry skill. What is the point to use AV if enemy do not use vehicles? Well I consider it a specialization if you chose what you used your SP on based on how it would help you perform your role better. Someone who plays as a sniper will not have the same modules, grenades equipment as someone who plays assault or scout. This is because they have to perform in different ways than other players. This is specialization. This is what players who chose to place their SP into AV did. They maximized there ability to fight vehicles while neglecting their formability against infantry, or they had to grind their favorite sidearm to the peak of specialization. Dedicated AV exists and I used to be one of them. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2218	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:42:00 - [8] - Quote Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. Dust was real! I was there! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5400	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:47:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. Think about the fact that someone carrying Proto Swarms needs to also carry a proto sidearm if they want to last any longer against infantry than a militia scout. If you have ever used a maximized Swarm Launcher build with full complex mods, proto sidearm, proto grenades. That SOB cost a crap ton and yet is EXTREMELY vulnerable to the lowliest of militia builds. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2218	Posted - 2014.10.04 19:55:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. Think about the fact that someone carrying Proto Swarms needs to also carry a proto sidearm if they want to last any longer against infantry than a militia scout. If you have ever used a maximized Swarm Launcher build with full complex mods, proto sidearm, proto grenades. That SOB cost a crap ton and yet is EXTREMELY vulnerable to the lowliest of militia builds. Or they're a commando... Not to mention proto side arms are like 15k, so you're still in the black. Dust was real! I was there! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~

Jack Boost Zarena Family 468	Posted - 2014.10.04 20:22:00 - [11] - Quote Average on AV per match 1k-1.5k wp - in forge heavy.. hard to play vs any infantry, low ammo ... but if you manage go berserk http://imgur.com/xlYOQRZ Not much time left...
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3755	Posted - 2014.10.04 20:30:00 - [12] - Quote That's what you get when making all the vehicles worthless. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Atiim 12720	Posted - 2014.10.04 20:51:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2375787#post2375787 The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3741	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:01:00 - [14] - Quote Goalies are not supposed to score, anyways. They're supposed to keep the other team from doing so. Although, there HAVE been scores from goal to goal before.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4709	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:06:00 - [15] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Goalies are not supposed to score, anyways. They're supposed to keep the other team from doing so. Although, there HAVE been scores from goal to goal before. ET LE BUT KRRROOOOOOM
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1023	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:06:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2375787#post2375787 Lol I think he means almost half of proto variant weapon which doesn't count Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5404	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:14:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Goalies are not supposed to score, anyways. They're supposed to keep the other team from doing so. Although, there HAVE been scores from goal to goal before. Mexican legend Jorge Campos was known to lead counter attacks from one goal to the other. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3549	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:18:00 - [18] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So here's to all the AV players who keep the games going and rarely get more than a surprised shrug for their efforts. I actually enjoy spawning in my swarm launcher fitting at the beginning of a match. I feel like I'm fuffilling a role now, instead of just slightly annoying a vehicle. AV/V balance is almost where it needs to be. Zindorak wrote: Oh wait that's RR... A foam sword is more useful than a RR at less than 15m. The assault RR, slightly more effective but that spool up time will get you killed just the same. The only perversely OP thing in this game at the moment are matrix-dodging, invisible, lightning fast, perfect scanning scout dropsuits He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
shaman oga Krullefor Organization 2899	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:19:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: But AV isn't a real specialization, like sniper is not a real specialization, except the weapon, all the other stuff is shared with normal infantry skill. What is the point to use AV if enemy do not use vehicles? Well I consider it a specialization if you chose what you used your SP on based on how it would help you perform your role better. Someone who plays as a sniper will not have the same modules, grenades equipment as someone who plays assault or scout. This is because they have to perform in different ways than other players. This is specialization. This is what players who chose to place their SP into AV did. They maximized there ability to fight vehicles while neglecting their formability against infantry, or they had to grind their favorite sidearm to the peak of specialization. Dedicated AV exists and I used to be one of them. The skills you need to AV (except the weapon) are the same you can use against infantry, AV are weapons not a specialization, if you want to pass your time AVing is your problem. If the other team don't use vehicles, you just have to change weapon. It's like someone who want to play as a sniper and complain because people stay out of his range, move on. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1023	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:20:00 - [20] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So here's to all the AV players who keep the games going and rarely get more than a surprised shrug for their efforts. I actually enjoy spawning in my swarm launcher fitting at the beginning of a match. I feel like I'm fuffilling a role now, instead of just slightly annoying a vehicle. AV/V balance is almost where it needs to be. Zindorak wrote: Oh wait that's RR... A foam sword is more useful than a RR at less than 15m. The assault RR, slightly more effective but that spool up time will get you killed just the same. The only perversely OP thing in this game at the moment are matrix-dodging, invisible, lightning fast, perfect scanning scout dropsuits Unless your kaizuka sniper Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3549	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:26:00 - [21] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Unless your kaizuka sniper I don't know who or what that is. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1023	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:31:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zindorak wrote: Unless your kaizuka sniper I don't know who or what that is. Oh hes a pub stomper with Assault CK0 and Kaalakiota RR. Hes pretty damn good. I think he is 6th on all time kills Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3549	Posted - 2014.10.04 21:33:00 - [23] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Oh hes a pub stomper with Assault CK0 and Kaalakiota RR. Hes pretty damn good. I think he is 6th on all time kills It's a good weapon. Not going to argue that. It has weaknesses though. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Thurak1 Psygod9 1015	Posted - 2014.10.04 22:20:00 - [24] - Quote valad II wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You rarely score, people rarely promote you as the best of your squad and your equipment cost more than any other person's gear. There are those games that you're rarely needed and don't have opportunities to do anythin substantial for the team. Though without them the team just wouldn't be the team and for all the recognition they lack they are important. So here's to all the AV players who keep the games going and rarely get more than a surprised shrug for their efforts. So True. But AV is a role that you should only pull out when needed. Not like you have to sit in your forge suit the whole match. Commandos with Swarms & any other light weapon are the most versatile. I can usually find something to shoot at with my FG. Sometimes that happens to be long range infantry shots when the tanks take to the hills. So if i am blasting infantry away tell your tankers to pull their tail out from between their leggs and face me!
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3757	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:44:00 - [25] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Zindorak wrote: Unless your kaizuka sniper I don't know who or what that is. A sniper from Kaizuka Japan Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 871	Posted - 2014.10.05 00:53:00 - [26] - Quote +1 for Hockey reference. It's almost that time again, eh?!?! Day One Proto Minmatar Commando. A Mass Driver IS My Sidearm.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1201	Posted - 2014.10.05 01:43:00 - [27] - Quote Thanks OP. Yes, you don't need AV unless you do. Playing AV right means acting against vehicles, not reacting after they **** your team. Role or specialization, I don't care what you call it. Because, that's why.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5410	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:30:00 - [28] - Quote shaman oga wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: But AV isn't a real specialization, like sniper is not a real specialization, except the weapon, all the other stuff is shared with normal infantry skill. What is the point to use AV if enemy do not use vehicles? Well I consider it a specialization if you chose what you used your SP on based on how it would help you perform your role better. Someone who plays as a sniper will not have the same modules, grenades equipment as someone who plays assault or scout. This is because they have to perform in different ways than other players. This is specialization. This is what players who chose to place their SP into AV did. They maximized there ability to fight vehicles while neglecting their formability against infantry, or they had to grind their favorite sidearm to the peak of specialization. Dedicated AV exists and I used to be one of them. The skills you need to AV (except the weapon) are the same you can use against infantry, AV are weapons not a specialization, if you want to pass your time AVing is your problem. If the other team don't use vehicles, you just have to change weapon, AV is a role, not a spec (just like sniper). It's like someone who want to play as a sniper and complain because people stay out of his range, move on. That post went straight over your head. Oddly enough I hoped that using redundant language would get my point across. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5410	Posted - 2014.10.05 02:32:00 - [29] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Thanks OP. Yes, you don't need AV unless you do. Playing AV right means acting against vehicles, not reacting after they **** your team. Role or specialization, I don't care what you call it. Exactly it's the class everyone thinks is dumb and useless to spawn with, but the second a vehicle shows up everybody is glad that someone was already packing the big guns. Then when the vehicle goes away you get the cold shoulder again. A thankless job. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
Everything Dies LIFE IS KILLING ME 999	Posted - 2014.10.05 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote Even with proto swarms and proto forges, nothing beats a Gunni with a particle cannon, particularly when dealing with dropships. The speed with which you can pop off three/four shots makes them so much more effective... That said, if I'm playing node defense and have a supply depot nearby I won't hesitate to bring out the AV weapons should tanks/dropships come too close. LAVs are best left to flux/HMG combos (after killing the driver.) Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof

Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2221	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:13:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Proto swarms are 40k, half of virtually every other proto weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2375787#post2375787 So hyperbole got the best of me. Still, 38k (I checked) for a proto type weapon is much better than the 47-77k of other weapons. If you're going to bring proto, be prepared to pay the price (I know I do every time I bring an ADS). Don't bring what you ~~will later go on the forums to moan about~~ can't afford to lose, etc, etc. +100k for a decent AV suit? Why would you use something like that, especially if you're getting killed a lot, when you can be slightly less efficient for a fraction of the cost? An ADV suit, WSL (heck, I ok with STD suits and a CBR) will get great mileage in the typical pub match, and should only cost like 50-60k (if even). And don't give me that bull that you need "every percent to kill" whatever you're shooting at the time. Suits like your Min commando get equal bonuses across tiers, so you're only really missing out on like <5% more damage or so because of one damage mod (plus stacking penalty). Oh, but God forbid! you can't insta-kill every single thing you shoot at with your auto-locking, auto-homing, dirt cheep, now speedy +1.2k/shot base AV weapon. Alas! You can't be completely immune from all other aspects of the game while you skill-lessly unleash volley after volley. Perhaps try this sometime. (PS you can use a CBR, save almost 30k, and only lose like 200hp/volley). And yes I have to fly to the bloody sky to escape you because it's all I can do to freaking survive. 4 shots is a guaranteed kill, and you can get those off LONG before I can even know where you are, let alone can engage you (not to mention realign time after being hit every time). I have less than half a second to dodge your third volley as soon as your first on hits (because your second is already on the way and is a guaranteed hit). Dust was real! I was there! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~


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