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wiseguy12 wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

wiseguy12 wrote:

I think that to even out logi's remove light weapon's and replace them W/ sidearms on every suit except amarr(which would get a light). Give Caldari that third equipment. RR aren't OP they are just good against armor and everyone uses armor.Also AR destroy my shields are they OP. Just earlier today using my exile AR on my sever C-1 I got a 5 kill streak.

you mean make them completely gimped vs every one.... anyone with even a single brain cell can tell that a light weapon will always win vs sidearm.. so NO.. logi NEED the light weapon.

Logi's aren't combat suits that why slayer logi's were taken out. Sidearms aren't weak.In fact my magsec is great against heavies and armor tankers. I use it more than my RR. This would allow logis to run better equipment and stop being worried about how many kills they get. Which leads to more teamwork and in a game this rooted in tactics this is important. I understand that logi's need a weapon but not a light.


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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4139	Posted - 2014.10.07 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: wiseguy12 wrote: I think that to even out logi's remove light weapon's and replace them W/ sidearms on every suit except amarr(which would get a light). Give Caldari that third equipment. RR aren't OP they are just good against armor and everyone uses armor.Also AR destroy my shields are they OP. Just earlier today using my exile AR on my sever C-1 I got a 5 kill streak. you mean make them completely gimped vs every one.... anyone with even a single brain cell can tell that a light weapon will always win vs sidearm.. so NO.. logi NEED the light weapon. Logi's aren't combat suits that why slayer logi's were taken out. Sidearms aren't weak.In fact my magsec is great against heavies and armor tankers. I use it more than my RR. This would allow logis to run better equipment and stop being worried about how many kills they get. Which leads to more teamwork and in a game this rooted in tactics this is important. I understand that logi's need a weapon but not a light. 1) Do you run a pure sidearm fit? As in no light weapons at all? I'd say no based on your mention of an RR. Try that first. Not that it can't be done, because it can, but don't use your experience of finishing people off with a sidearm or using it as a situational alternative to your main weapon as any kind of proof that limiting an entire class of suit to a sidearm is viable. 2) I invite you to try running sidearms alone with a STD sidearm, particularly one that doesn't have a ton of SP in proficiency or sharpshooter skills. I've seen people get shredded by skilled players with a pure sidearm fit but of course that's with dual Ishukone Assault SMG's with prof 5. A newer player with an unskilled STD sidearm wouldn't stand a chance. 3) Finally, what do you think might happen if everyone could tell from 60m away that you didn't have a light weapon? Maybe, oh, I dunno, your suit was bright yellow and upon seeing that, everyone immediately knew what you were armed with. Do you think that every one of your opponents always having sort of information might place you at a disadvantage? That unless you have a magsec they can basically engage you at will from 65m out and you have no chance? TL;DR New players in any suit, particularly a bright yellow one, that was restricted to just sidearms would not last 10 seconds. Your experience with a highly specced sidearm, even if that was the only type of weapon you equip, is not applicable due to the SP invested and the fact that your opponent does not know ahead of time that you do not have a light weapon. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4148	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:00:00 - [2] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: TL;DR New players in any suit, particularly a bright yellow one, that was restricted to just sidearms would not last 10 seconds. Your experience with a highly specced sidearm, even if that was the only type of weapon you equip, is not applicable due to the SP invested and the fact that your opponent does not know ahead of time that you do not have a light weapon. I do have a sidearm only fit with a std sidearm and a lone logi is a useless logi. Ask any real logi were he gets his points its supporting other players not killing. I use sidearms because it allows me to run better equipment trust me try it like you told me. John: "Hey man, where do you get most of your WP from?" John: "Hm... let's see. It's probably not my 3-4 kills per match, so I'll have to go with equipment" I asked my sources; your information about war points checks out. However, I'm not sure how that really factors in to this discussion. It is neither new information nor listed as a reason not to keep the light weapon slot. Should we take away the equipment slot from assault suits because most of their WP comes from using their weapon? I stand by my statement, and direct you to the bolded portion. While the existence of the magsec makes a sidearm-only fit slightly more flexible than when we first had this debate over a year ago, I really think people underestimate not only the obvious, which is how much impact your SP investment in a weapon really has, but the significant tactical disadvantage you would have if you are restricted to a very small list of weapons which everyone would already know about the second they saw you. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4148	Posted - 2014.10.08 16:26:00 - [3] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: You haven't used a Bolt Pistol lately have you? And Logis are meant to be SUPPORT not combat find a heavy and latch onto him and theres your weapon. Your job is to keep everyone alive and that is the convention in every game. The existence of an OP sidearm (which will not be for much longer) is a pretty poor justification for a major change to an entire class of suit. More importantly, lets just make one thing clear: My sole reason for existence is not to leech off some fatty all game. I'm not a sentient armor repair module. - I maintain tactical control of the map with placement of blue uplinks and removal of red ones - I provide ammunition - I provide tactical information with scanners - I provide suppressive fire and finish off weakened enemies so I can revive you - I set RE's or proxy traps - I counter snipe to keep the killers focused on their job - And yes, I repair damaged suits and provide additional eHP to sentinels to break through highly defended areas. ("back in my day" rant incoming) Some of you may be used to the more recent brain-dead, repper-only logi meta, but those of us who have been logis from long before the logi suits and equipment got nerfed, or when there was only one logi suit, or before every god damn blueberry, their brother, sister, second cousins, and next door neighbor's dog started wh0ring WP by spamming uplinks at the start of every freaking match have a slightly different concept of what it means to provide logistical/tactcial support. (The godfather of tactical logistics)