Did you really expect them to talk about Legion? No one from CCP comes within a mile of the Legion discussion threads, no devblogs, no concept art. The only way we know Legion is still being developed at all is because CPM tells us it is.

We don't even know if the CPM are blowing smoke though. Vaporware Legion...

I expected this thread, lol.

Realistically, I don't think news on their progress should revolve around an event like EVE Vegas. I'd be unhappy if it did. I expect them to just be more interactive with the community in general, here on the Internet, all the time.

What reason do they have to lie? Everyone person on CPM simultaneously decides to troll us by lying about the development of Legion... that's a bit far fetched.

Not a single reference to DUST, Legion, or any Devs from those teams:

http://vegas.eveonline.com/schedule

Frankly, I'm disappointed in CCP Rouge. I think this would have been a good opportunity to show off Legion's progress, and interact with the community.

Mind you that Projects are typically not talked about that much because they do want to avoid the hype train departing out of control.

Imagine if Blizzard hyped up Project TItan for the last 5 years. Teasing you on how the gameplay, the graphics, the visuals, the dev blogs and snapshots.

Then one week after having heated debates with Destiny Fanbois who are celebrating their launch the Titan Fanboys are told their precious game is canceled for good. No more mmo-sci-fi first person shooter for blizzard.

So the alternative seems to be going into silent mode. This doesn't inspire confidence, and makes players fear the worst: that there is very little progress made. I think a conservative (not overhyped) session would have been much better.

What I would have liked to have seen: CCP Rouge takes the stage and apologizes again for how things went down at Fanfest. Shows a chart that indicate DUST's new player retention is higher than its ever been. DUST is stronger than its ever been. This has given us a lot of confidence that there is a solid market for a FPS in New Eden. We've created the missing racial heavy weapons, turrets and vehicles. Here's what they look like [shows slides]. We're in the process of fine tuning these, and we want to get them into DUST so you can help us make them great. It will take more time to downscale these for the PS3 so expect a client patch with these new assets in early 2015. We're also announcing some new BPO packs for the various races at $75 each.

Now let's talk about Legion. We've had some great feedback on Legion and that has caused us to reexamine some of our progression ideas. Here's CCP Z to talk about some of our ideas for progression in Legion. [CCP Z talks for a while] let's open it up for questions.

I think that would have been awesome and gone a long way towards mending the wounds from Fanfest. I don't think it overhyped anything, and it would give the community something to look forward to again, instead of this weird limbo state we're currently in.

Imagine if Blizzard hyped up Project TItan for the last 5 years. Teasing you on how the gameplay, the graphics, the visuals, the dev blogs and snapshots.

Then one week after having heated debates with Destiny Fanbois who are celebrating their launch the Titan Fanboys are told their precious game is canceled for good. No more mmo-sci-fi first person shooter for blizzard. Devastation would be utter and total and make our despair look like a bunch of wussies.

That's where the difficulties comes in though.

A single photo snap from the game no matter how mundane can be hyped to warp 10 because of community members.

As for feedback about legion and the loop between cpm, community, and ccp due to the simple fact that CCP is a business and has business things to do and regrettably there is not enough clones of CCP Rogue to go around.

CCP is however very mindful of the situation. They're not ignorant of it at all and are very well aware and if the CPM didn't make it that clear to them then we'd probably need to get fired (the council). You just have to patiently wait along with everyone else while CCP thinks of a means or way of moving forward.

After all we don't need a third Rouge Wedding at Eve Vegas.

I expected this thread, lol.

Realistically, I don't think news on their progress should revolve around an event like EVE Vegas. I'd be unhappy if it did. I expect them to just be more interactive with the community in general, here on the Internet, all the time.

Face palm

Can you... expand on that a bit, perhaps?

I can expand on my thoughts:

I'd rather Legion was talked about more openly here on the forums, rather than being held for events for marketing purposes. Obviously I'm not happy with the current level of interaction there, but I'm, if anything, glad people aren't being kept in the dark just to save stuff for a convention.

What about inviting CCP Rouge onto the Biomassed podcast?

I doubt CCP Rouge has time to do our podcast, to be honest.

I wouldn't say devs are ignoring us. We have a pretty good dialogue with certain devs, others could perhaps be better. But they have in many cases, particular reasons for doing or not doing things, or timelines. And in a lot of cases, other factors from other parts of the company can come into play, like marketing. (I have a standing point that being really really open with your playerbase tends to be great for marketing, but I digress.) And I think CCP has learned it's lesson about promising things ahead of time, they're cautious now about saying things that might not be true later.

I think one of the strongest components in convincing CCP to be more open, is seeing the response and reaction to how existing open dialogue has worked. For instance, the good reception to CCP Rattati and CCP Logibro's work on hotfixes. It's a case-in-point proof that open development works for CCP really well when they do it.

But it's a cultural thing. It takes a lot of time, and a lot of changed minds to evolve the way people communicate. We just continue to push the process from our end.

What reason do they have to lie? Everyone person on CPM simultaneously decides to troll us by lying about the development of Legion... that's a bit far fetched.

It happened with dust during 1.8 when we finally got our racial suits. Remember to milk the last of this game with omega boosters.

I doubt CCP Rouge has time to do our podcast, to be honest.

I wouldn't say devs are ignoring us. We have a pretty good dialogue with certain devs, others could perhaps be better. But they have in many cases, particular reasons for doing or not doing things, or timelines. And in a lot of cases, other factors from other parts of the company can come into play, like marketing. (I have a standing point that being really really open with your playerbase tends to be great for marketing, but I digress.) And I think CCP has learned it's lesson about promising things ahead of time, they're cautious now about saying things that might not be true later.

I think one of the strongest components in convincing CCP to be more open, is seeing the response and reaction to how existing open dialogue has worked. For instance, the good reception to CCP Rattati and CCP Logibro's work on hotfixes. It's a case-in-point proof that open development works for CCP really well when they do it.

But it's a cultural thing. It takes a lot of time, and a lot of changed minds to evolve the way people communicate. We just continue to push the process from our end.

Bear in mind that EVE Vegas isn't really a primary venue for CCP. They are directly involved in it, but it's still a partially player-run thing as well. It's never been the place for big announcements. I wouldn't take any info or lack thereof from Vegas as a serious sign.

But I also badly want to see more updates from the Legion team on the forums. Even if it's a "Yup, still here" on occasion. CCP Rattati, of course, was known for just chilling with players long before he had a public-facing role, and I wish more devs did that.

I think most companies would want to take advantage of any opportunity to market things. Legion should appeal to the Eve community being that it's a PC game.

Doesn't make much sense to miss out on that.

Not only that, why even announce legion, basically crushing what little dust had left, if you dont plan on talking about it for another year?

Oh yeah thats right, they had to tell the players dust wasnt going to be receiving much support anymore somehow. What better way than to show of a new game..

Bear in mind that EVE Vegas isn't really a primary venue for CCP. They are directly involved in it, but it's still a partially player-run thing as well. It's never been the place for big announcements. I wouldn't take any info or lack thereof from Vegas as a serious sign.

But I also badly want to see more updates from the Legion team on the forums. Even if it's a "Yup, still here" on occasion. CCP Rattati, of course, was known for just chilling with players long before he had a public-facing role, and I wish more devs did that.

...After all we don't need a third Rouge Wedding at Eve Vegas.