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Jebus McKing
lol Proto
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:59:00 -
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We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
Not Haerr's alt. Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:04:00 -
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Is this really true? I'm just asking because I think it might just be something to do with scouts or hitboxes in general and not necessarily with the Calscout itself.
Because I've unloaded a full clip on an Amarr Medium and a Minmatar Scout but none of my bullets ever hit (this happened on two occasions, and withing 15 meters). Of course there was some lag involved (I think, but I didn't really notice any, I'm just going to assume it was lag).
So maybe it just seems this way because Dust is somewhat laggy, and Calscout seems to be the more common scout out there.
But, I haven't been around for that long, so I'm sure there's a link somewhere showing that Cal Scout does in fact have an OP hitbox. (o_O )
Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
Starter corp for life!!
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:09:00 -
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Funny.
When I play against Caldari Scouts, I have a hard time hitting them... But when I play as a Caldari Scout, everybody seems to be able to get a bead on me and take me out without issue...
Anyway, I disagree with the proposed fix because reasons.
I am a minotaur.
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
989
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:10:00 -
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Can't tell if troll... or serious... 
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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KILL3R H3LLH0UND
Nox Lupos
49
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:11:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your funny m8, 6/10
Falling in Love with Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives
BPO collector.
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hfderrtgvcd
606
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:12:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
9.5/10 Managed to elcit serious responses and the execution was pretty solid. Would have been flawless if not for the last few lines.
You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1608
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:18:00 -
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I suspect strongly this is a troll post, but here goes...
I play Caldari and Amarr scouts.
I have not noticed hit detection issues either playing in those suits or when going up against them. I die in both with regularity, and I have no trouble killing them in the above scout suits (or when I'm in my logi or assault or heavy suits either).
Sure, it gets hard to hit any strafing target that has a fast movement speed (including Gal Scout, Min Scout and Min Assault) in periods of low frame rate, but nothing unique at all about the Cal scout. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2893
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:33:00 -
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Then all would pass to simple light frames...
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
LOCK REGIONS
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
585
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:35:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:...it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true...
If trolling try harder.
If serious, then your stupid. Where is the objective proof (i.e "proven fact") that the hitbox on the Caldari scout is bugged? CCP ratatti has already said that the data for the Caldari scout has been checked and it is the same as other scouts.
Yes, I do play as Caldari scout. Yes, I die just as much as a Caldari scout.
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
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ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:09:00 -
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Yesterday i was shooting a cal scout cqc with a rail rifle sparks were flying off him but no damage and he bolt pistoled me after like a 6 second fight. |
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Henrietta Unknown
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
332
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:53:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Yesterday i was shooting a cal scout cqc with a rail rifle sparks were flying off him but no damage and he bolt pistoled me after like a 6 second fight.
Rail Rifle sucks in CQC, and even more against a Cal Scout. (scout strafe, CQC inaccuracy, shield resistances to an armor weapon)...
As for me, I get melted regularly by mlt HMG's and gk.0 scouts as a Cal Scout myself, as both are increasingly common occurrences. Whereas I do miles better in a Gal Scout.
I seem to only encounter mad-strafing Cal Scouts if they are ck.0's. 
Give the Magsex some love.
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
185
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:57:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
Just make their hitbox bigger, no need for a client update and solves the problem.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
202
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:01:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Yesterday i was shooting a cal scout cqc with a rail rifle sparks were flying off him but no damage and he bolt pistoled me after like a 6 second fight. Rail Rifle sucks in CQC, and even more against a Cal Scout. (scout strafe, CQC inaccuracy, shield resistances to an armor weapon)... As for me, I get melted regularly by mlt HMG's and gk.0 scouts as a Cal Scout myself, as both are increasingly common occurrences. Whereas I do miles better in a Gal Scout. I seem to only encounter mad-strafing Cal Scouts if they are ck.0's.
I mean 0 damage, if his shields were doing that animation like he was getting hit he should of taken some damage. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
1050
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:04:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7. 9.5/10 Managed to elcit serious responses and the execution was pretty solid. Would have been flawless if not for the last few lines.
To score above an eight, the poster must both elict both serious responses and "Teh Lulz". Therefore, the best rating this troll can receive is a 7.5. |
Henrietta Unknown
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
332
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:10:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Yesterday i was shooting a cal scout cqc with a rail rifle sparks were flying off him but no damage and he bolt pistoled me after like a 6 second fight. Rail Rifle sucks in CQC, and even more against a Cal Scout. (scout strafe, CQC inaccuracy, shield resistances to an armor weapon)... As for me, I get melted regularly by mlt HMG's and gk.0 scouts as a Cal Scout myself, as both are increasingly common occurrences. Whereas I do miles better in a Gal Scout. I seem to only encounter mad-strafing Cal Scouts if they are ck.0's. I mean 0 damage, if his shields were doing that animation like he was getting hit he should of taken some damage.
1. Was he a ck.0?
2. I've always managed to see a dent, no matter how small, put into a Cal Scout's shield bar if I've at least pulled the trigger on him. Dunno what exactly happened in your situation.
Give the Magsex some love.
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3184
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:56:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
Or we can just fix the strafing mechanics.... But I can't tell if your a troll
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.10.03 01:12:00 -
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hit ditection used to be, you maybe hit them, now days its more like your probs gunna hit them but it might not do any thing.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
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Joel II X
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3724
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Posted - 2014.10.03 04:00:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
Lol what? Then, at proto, they'll go up to 2 highs, two lows which is the same amount as a STD Minmatar Scout.
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
248
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:01:00 -
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THEORY. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. NOT SAYING I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS TRUE. JUST A POSSIBILITY I THOUGHT OF TO EXPLAIN THIS PHENOMENON. I SHIELD TANK BRUH.
Maybe nothing is wrong with the CalScouts hitbox like CCP says.
Maybe its a glitch with the shield regen delay dropping from from whatever it should be to 0 or something and they from time to time glitch up and are just insta-repping shield passively like gals do armor.
Please remember that when Cal Heavies were introduced they had shield regen glitches as well.
Maybe the calscout got something coded wrong too.
THEORY. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. NOT SAYING I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS TRUE. JUST A POSSIBILITY I THOUGHT OF TO EXPLAIN THIS PHENOMENON. I SHIELD TANK BRUH.
Opus Arcana | TBD Ringleader
Im a nerd that wears Jordans and True Religion jeans.
Savage Worlds > D20 | Tay Roc > DNA
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
87
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:50:00 -
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Most people are playing CalScout that's why you think it's only about CalScouts. But it's about EVERY scouts! Every hitboxes are buggy and need to be fixed.
I dont think that slots have to change as they will become useless if so, except the GalScout that should see his low slots reduced by 1.
As a scout should have about 250-400 eHP max, I agree that their life have to be divided by 2. For all who complains, scouts are light suits, they are not meant to be assault, they are meant to kill fast and be killed fast.
Sorry for my bad english ^^
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xavier zor
G.L.O.R.Y
Dark Taboo
54
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:56:00 -
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50% of your shots do no damage eh?
It is because most people after shooting a scout 4 times, the scout's bar looks ilke this:
________
and the caldari scout?
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_________
So psychologically people are tricked into thinking that their shots don't do damage. After another 3-4 shots?
_____
and the caldari scout?
___
It is either this or you suck at CQC and come here crying. I have no problem hitting caldari scouts
scout ck.0 here!
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1011
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:42:00 -
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Yes this needs fixing. It so bad i wanted to skill into the scruby thing just for that and its tanking abilities. The AR dosn't seem to make any dents
Pokemon master!
Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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Cavani1EE7
Expert Intervention
287
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:19:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
9/10
Expert Intervetion is my home
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
826
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:28:00 -
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Bolt pistol seems to detect and hit cal scouts all the time. I sincerely hope ratatti removes aim assist from your crutch weapon. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3365
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:01:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
CalScout hitbox is fine. Welcome to the lack of inertia allowing players to avoid hit detection. When you engage this trick, the person with the bigger hitbox always loses.
Their hitbox is fine when they aren't exploiting rapid direction changes in a strafe to make it impossible to react or lead them.
When I say impossible I mean it is medically impossible to have reflexes fast enough to compensate for inertialess direction changes with no slowdown or acceleration. |
valad II
NoGameNoLife
186
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:21:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Can't tell if troll... or serious...
That is the scary part, it sounds so true but yet would be the perfect start of a troll. |
Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Top Men.
51
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Posted - 2014.10.03 20:33:00 -
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I keep hearing that the cal scout has a hit detection problem. I don't know if this is true or not but, if it is then I think that some suits have the glitch and others inherited the anti glitch. It seems to me that my caldari scout suit inherited damage enhancement cause I get kill in it a lot. |
Jebus McKing
lol Proto
728
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Posted - 2014.10.03 23:24:00 -
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The problem in fact is only the Cal scout. Specifically the prototype Cal scout.
Can you really deny that there is something wrong with it?
How many times did the Cal scout not take any damage even though you were perfectly on target?
Of course no one is going to tell you the truth about it when they are claiming that there is no problem.
Can you trust the Cal scouts themselves? - Of course not! They want to keep the one suit that makes them ten times harder to kill than a heavy, even under massive fire.
Can you trust the corpmates/friends of those Cal scouts? - Of course not! The Cal scouts provide them with free 360-¦ 90m radius scans. Just imagine all those heavies could not rely on their Cal scout friends giving them wallhacks anymore.
And CCP? Can you trust CCP when they say there is no problem? Like when they said they can't reproduce the sprint glitch that makes you crawl like a cat with broken limbs? And have you forgotten... after everything we have been through, so many lies, all the scheming, you'd trust CCP more than a fellow dust bunny? CCP is helpless. No more client updates. The only thing they ca...
It's a conspiracy.
There are always 4 perceptions of the truth.
- What side A says.
- What side B says.
- What society accepts as truth.
- And what really happened.
There is no problem with the Cal scout? Is that what really happened?
Stay sceptic. Fight for the truth.
Not Haerr's alt. // Closed beta vet. // @JebusMcKing
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5461
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Posted - 2014.10.03 23:44:00 -
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8/10
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
936
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:15:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:Is this really true? I'm just asking because I think it might just be something to do with scouts or hitboxes in general and not necessarily with the Calscout itself.
Because I've unloaded a full clip on an Amarr Medium and a Minmatar Scout but none of my bullets ever hit (this happened on two occasions, and withing 15 meters). Of course there was some lag involved (I think, but I didn't really notice any, I'm just going to assume it was lag).
So maybe it just seems this way because Dust is somewhat laggy, and Calscout seems to be the more common scout out there.
But, I haven't been around for that long, so I'm sure there's a link somewhere showing that Cal Scout does in fact have an OP hitbox. (o_O )
caldari scout hitbox is slimmer then other scouts already small hitbox
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 2 Forum Pariah
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
936
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:20:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:We all know and agree and it is a proven fact that hitting a Caldari scout is a ******* miracle.
Stop denying it, you know it's true, you damn liar.
Hitdetection is totally and utterly off. At least 50% of your hits just won't deal any damage to them.
The only way to fix that is a client update.
But since we can't have client updates, I propose a 50% total HP reduction for the Caldari scout.
To effectively reduce the total HP we also have to reduce the high slots of the proto Cal scout from 4 to 2.
If we could just ignore the input of Cal scouts, their alts, and their friends on this particular matter - they would lie about it anyway - then I think 100% of the community will agree that this will fix the issue. (If they don't agree then they are clearly lying/trolling.)
Ok, since we all agree on this I expect the deployment of hotfix Caldari on tuesday October 7.
i dont agree with nerfing them into oblivion but i do agree something needs to be done about cal scout, and to a lesser extent all other scouts..
i would propose removing 1 high from cal 1 low from gal/amarr and leave minmatar as is as its gimpy anyway.
next i would nerf SCOUT suits to be DUAL SIDEARM, but leave LIGHT (basic) suits with light+side.. this way they can still have cloak on scout suits.. and still can run assault on the basic suits which i may actually say the basic suits have more pg and slightly less cpu so they are better for running assault with.
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 2 Forum Pariah
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Super Sniper95
Bloodline Rebellion
Public.Disorder.
275
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Posted - 2014.10.04 03:18:00 -
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Scrambler Rifles.
Scrambler Pistols.
Flux Grenades.
Problem solved.
Hand-Eye Coordination level 5... Deal with it.
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cammando 007
Immortal Guides
1
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Posted - 2014.10.04 03:27:00 -
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Super Sniper95 wrote:Scrambler Rifles.
Scrambler Pistols.
Flux Grenades.
Problem solved.
lol..! |
cammando 007
Immortal Guides
1
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Posted - 2014.10.04 03:28:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:Super Sniper95 wrote:Scrambler Rifles.
Scrambler Pistols.
Flux Grenades.
Problem solved. lol..!
gal gk.0 here..! |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1656
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Posted - 2014.10.04 05:04:00 -
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True or not, i'd like to think it is true. I seem to become god in a cal scout and can take on 5 v 1, yet other suits I get slaughtered in about half a second.
Its prob placebo, but I'll take it
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
Moss-delt on skype
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Henrietta Unknown
Nox Lupos
333
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Posted - 2014.10.04 06:38:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:True or not, i'd like to think it is true. I seem to become god in a cal scout and can take on 5 v 1, yet other suits I get slaughtered in about half a second.
Its prob placebo, but I'll take it
And I'm still being melted by gk.0's on proto weapons.
But then again, so does everyone else. 
Give the Magsex some love.
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iKILLu osborne
ripley's believe it or die
361
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Posted - 2014.10.04 07:01:00 -
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video it, take a picture, make a flipbook of it some kind of proof man, getting tired of these stupid threads.
lp cal scout i demand it
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