DUST Search - Team balancing: 2+ weeks after update

Duke Noobiam wrote:

So it's almost been 3 weeks since the update to team balancing that included logic for squads and I figured I would post my thoughts and maybe you can add yours. Please try to keep this constructive. If you are unhappy with how it works for you, please post your KD/R and win/loss ratio so that trends can be found.

From what I have experienced personally, team balancing is much better than before. Most of my matches are now close and I am enjoying the game much more.

That said, from what I have read on these forums I have a sneaking suspicion that team balancing is very effective when the players in a match have MUs that are in the middle of the curve and less effective for matches with players that are at the polar ends of the curve (Particularly the top end). For example, someone who's MU is super high and who is playing a solo match may find that the team balancing algorithm is constantly putting a full squad on the opposite team in order to balance MUs.

I would like to see stats from CCP Ratati that compare match results prior to the new balancing with match results after the new balancing as I believe they would show a great improvement. I do believe more tweaking can be done (maybe a simple squad multiplier change) and hopefully this thread could help shed some light on how this could be done.

BTW here are my stats that influence MU.
- lifetime KDR is about 0.9
- lifetime win/loss is about 1.0
- monthly KDR is about 1.5
- monthly win/loss is about 1.5

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Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:10:00 - [1] - Quote So it's almost been 3 weeks since the update to team balancing that included logic for squads and I figured I would post my thoughts and maybe you can add yours. Please try to keep this constructive. If you are unhappy with how it works for you, please post your KD/R and win/loss ratio so that trends can be found. From what I have experienced personally, team balancing is much better than before. Most of my matches are now close and I am enjoying the game much more. That said, from what I have read on these forums I have a sneaking suspicion that team balancing is very effective when the players in a match have MUs that are in the middle of the curve and less effective for matches with players that are at the polar ends of the curve (Particularly the top end). For example, someone who's MU is super high and who is playing a solo match may find that the team balancing algorithm is constantly putting a full squad on the opposite team in order to balance MUs. I would like to see stats from CCP Ratati that compare match results prior to the new balancing with match results after the new balancing as I believe they would show a great improvement. I do believe more tweaking can be done (maybe a simple squad multiplier change) and hopefully this thread could help shed some light on how this could be done. BTW here are my stats that influence MU. - lifetime KDR is about 0.9 - lifetime win/loss is about 1.0 - monthly KDR is about 1.5 - monthly win/loss is about 1.5 How do you kill that which has no life?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3494	Posted - 2014.10.02 20:32:00 - [2] - Quote My experience with the team building change has been a positive one. I seem to be put up against people roughly my own skill level, and my ratio of Matches Played:Matches Curbstomped is much better. I've noticed that there seems to be an ebb and flow. I will play 2 - 4 good, balanced matches, then suddenly out of nowhere I will be put up against a badass six-man squad that rocks my brown hole. Then 2 - 4 good matches. Rinse, repeat. Full disclaimer: not saying that I win these matches. Just saying they feel balanced. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3894	Posted - 2014.10.02 22:18:00 - [3] - Quote I've felt matches are much much closer than they used to be. I really dig the new matchmaking, it's made the game a lot more fun. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2678	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:10:00 - [4] - Quote Guarded agreement... Some improvement seen. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2324	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:05:00 - [5] - Quote I've seen a drastic improvement. I hope we can see an overhaul of the matchmaking now that team balancing is in decent shape. It'll still need some polish to get the squad modifiers nailed down to the ideal values, but I think we'll see a bigger improvement from a serious revisit of the matchmaker first. Best PvE idea ever!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2436	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:40:00 - [6] - Quote Love the matchmaking, except think squads should receive a 1.25 multiplier on the MU of each person in squad, because teamwork even from 4 blueberries fresh from the academy is > the best duster alive going solo Lifetime KDR-1.5 Lifetime W/L-3.9 Monthly KDR-5.6 Monthly W/L-4.8 "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9628	Posted - 2014.10.03 03:40:00 - [7] - Quote I do agree that the chief suspect to the slight imbalance with teams on some matches might have something to do with how MU is calculated for squads. Just like the OP, I'm experiencing a cycle of lots of balanced matches followed by one or two pubstompings and then back the balanced matches afterwards. I'm going to wager that this is probably because my own MU is relatively high as a solo player and as a result I'm pitted against a whole squad of powerful players. Yes, this is a stealthy way of saying "I'm that good" but that's not the point. my point is that I think I'm becoming a victim of my own success. XD But if there is anything that irks me more than having my own MU turn me into a sacrificial lamb every now and then, then that would have to be seeing players of known strength leave a match midway. Kind of like how CEO Pyrex left a match early after facing resistance from this guy a while ago. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 149	Posted - 2014.10.03 04:23:00 - [8] - Quote How is it that Everyone is having a positive feedback on this change but me ? Every-single match I have played has been no doubt a landslide of a loss Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1002	Posted - 2014.10.03 10:13:00 - [9] - Quote I solo frequently and am often on a side with randoms against full squads of somebodys. But I am a sicko and actually enjoy the challenge of carrying my team even though we will most likely lose. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 1161	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:34:00 - [10] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: How is it that Everyone is having a positive feedback on this change but me ? Every-single match I have played has been no doubt a landslide of a loss Downside for stat padding...? all that spawn camping...? Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4463	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:55:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: My experience with the team building change has been a positive one. I seem to be put up against people roughly my own skill level, and my ratio of Matches Played:Matches Curbstomped is much better. I've noticed that there seems to be an ebb and flow. I will play 2 - 4 good, balanced matches, then suddenly out of nowhere I will be put up against a badass six-man squad that rocks my brown hole. Then 2 - 4 good matches. Rinse, repeat. Full disclaimer: not saying that I win these matches. Just saying they feel balanced. I experienced the Ebb big time last night. So frustrating! But I am back in the grove this morning. Seen a lot more matches come down to the wire since the change. Had one domination match where I was watching the Clone count and both sides flipped to Zero at exactly the same time. Until the match ended no one knew which side had won. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 936	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:18:00 - [12] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: So it's almost been 3 weeks since the update to team balancing that included logic for squads and I figured I would post my thoughts and maybe you can add yours. Please try to keep this constructive. If you are unhappy with how it works for you, please post your KD/R and win/loss ratio so that trends can be found. From what I have experienced personally, team balancing is much better than before. Most of my matches are now close and I am enjoying the game much more. That said, from what I have read on these forums I have a sneaking suspicion that team balancing is very effective when the players in a match have MUs that are in the middle of the curve and less effective for matches with players that are at the polar ends of the curve (Particularly the top end). For example, someone who's MU is super high and who is playing a solo match may find that the team balancing algorithm is constantly putting a full squad on the opposite team in order to balance MUs. I would like to see stats from CCP Ratati that compare match results prior to the new balancing with match results after the new balancing as I believe they would show a great improvement. I do believe more tweaking can be done (maybe a simple squad multiplier change) and hopefully this thread could help shed some light on how this could be done. BTW here are my stats that influence MU. - lifetime KDR is about 0.9 - lifetime win/loss is about 1.0 - monthly KDR is about 1.5 - monthly win/loss is about 1.5 if this is true then i must be a super godlike player cause when i sign up solo in GMT morning/afternoon to early evening most of the time the opposing team is premade squads [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:31:00 - [13] - Quote My matches seem to be more balanced in that we're not pushed to the red line, but I seem to keep finding myself on a team that's allergic to teamwork. Minimal squads, or multiple squads with minimal people in those squads, lol. Seems like the multiplier is applied to a 'squad' regardless of the number of people in it. In other words, if you have four 1 man squads on your team then your teams Mu total is affected negatively by placing you in a higher tier. Lifetime W/L 0.79 Weekly W/L 0.29 KDR roughly 0.45 (not at ps3 atm to verify kdr)


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