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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:03:00 -
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If you like the shotgun, I'd say the Gal scout is the best.
If you like rifles, I'd say the Cal scout is the best.
Depends on what you like.
And the cal scout hitbox "problem" is a fantasy just like MKB is the reason for dying to someone who is strafing. |
Joel II X
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:05:00 -
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Gallente. If it weren't for our passive reps, I'd almost say Amarr. |
cammando 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:53:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Cal. scout is better due to the broken hitbox it has. You can literally dance infront of a HMG and kill the heavy with it. And that you have 50HP/s shield regen makes it nice too. Gal. scouts are armor tanked and their armor regen is slow and plates slow it down aswell. Another thing is the bonuses that scouts get.
amarr= scan precision+stamina caldari= damps+scan range gallente= damps+scan precision (precision is worse then amarr!) minmatarr= hacking speed+ knife damage
Amarr is the slowest and you might would think that the scan bonus would be nice to detect other scouts, but it only has 2 high slots and the precision you achieve can easy be countered with 2 profile damps on gal+cal scouts. So that bonus is pretty much wasted and you are stuck with the slowest scout in the game.
Gallente has the same damp bonus like the caldari but has a horrible precision bonus which is not worth it. The max you need to dodge hardcore scans are 2 damps+a cloak and thats about it. Good dampening bonus bad precision
Minmatarr are extremely niche due to knifes and hacking but they aswell have the lowest amount of HP out of all 4 suits. You could say that they are the fastest suits but minnie scouts fall over dead allmost instantly when they get shot at.
Caldari has the overpowered combination of scan range (hunting medium+heavys) and dampening (staying under the radar). At advanced it gets 2 low slots and thats all you will ever need for ewar in terms of range extension for scans and dampening. Then you aswell have ridicoulus shield regen and a broken hitbox. Its the best suit to prey on other players.
So lest recap this: Calscout cancels out the precision bonuses from amarr+gallente quite easy, it has the longest passive scan range, best regen, no mobility drawback (if you dont use plates) and its hard to hit due to its hitbox.
hitbox issue will be cleared by ccp after few moons..but after that ....???? but if u get a flux granade and throw it whats gonna happen to ur cal scout..?
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:54:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:cal scout has presision...and it is a shield tanking and gal scout has dampening..and it is armour tanking...but...gal scout has passive armour rep...but all the most used weapons in dust 514 are more effective in damaging armour....so cal scouts have a advantage of that and cal scouts cant fit modules like gal scouts as a level 3 cal can fit only a RE cloak shotgun submachine gun..but a gal scout can fit..RE cloak shotgun submachine gun armour plates granades and a armour rep (including passive armour rep)..! so its totally cool...but cal scouts can detect every thing...shield tanking makes it more difficult to kill with combat rail and a hmg even side arms like submachine gun..magsec..bolt..flaylock cannot kill it.. EASILY...but a scrambler pistol and rifle.ion pistol and assault rilfe can...but there are were few who use theM now.....so WHICH IS THE BEST...!!!?? CAL OR GAL..! Cal scouts actually have about the same Scan precision as an amarr. And the gal scout has a scan bonus as well.
Gal scout is pretty much the best. Can reach apart the same scans as cal and amarr but it can also damp below ALL scans and has built in armor reps.
A level 5 gal scout with one complex damp gets u under 99% of scans in pubs while adding one complex precision lets you see just about any that you can see.
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cammando 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:57:00 -
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so based upon the forum discussion can i say safelty dat GALLENTE SCOUTS are the BEST...! |
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
132
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:58:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Cal. scout is better due to the broken hitbox it has. You can literally dance infront of a HMG and kill the heavy with it. And that you have 50HP/s shield regen makes it nice too. Gal. scouts are armor tanked and their armor regen is slow and plates slow it down aswell. Another thing is the bonuses that scouts get.
amarr= scan precision+stamina caldari= damps+scan range gallente= damps+scan precision (precision is worse then amarr!) minmatarr= hacking speed+ knife damage
Amarr is the slowest and you might would think that the scan bonus would be nice to detect other scouts, but it only has 2 high slots and the precision you achieve can easy be countered with 2 profile damps on gal+cal scouts. So that bonus is pretty much wasted and you are stuck with the slowest scout in the game.
Gallente has the same damp bonus like the caldari but has a horrible precision bonus which is not worth it. The max you need to dodge hardcore scans are 2 damps+a cloak and thats about it. Good dampening bonus bad precision
Minmatarr are extremely niche due to knifes and hacking but they aswell have the lowest amount of HP out of all 4 suits. You could say that they are the fastest suits but minnie scouts fall over dead allmost instantly when they get shot at.
Caldari has the overpowered combination of scan range (hunting medium+heavys) and dampening (staying under the radar). At advanced it gets 2 low slots and thats all you will ever need for ewar in terms of range extension for scans and dampening. Then you aswell have ridicoulus shield regen and a broken hitbox. Its the best suit to prey on other players.
So lest recap this: Calscout cancels out the precision bonuses from amarr+gallente quite easy, it has the longest passive scan range, best regen, no mobility drawback (if you dont use plates) and its hard to hit due to its hitbox. Cal scout has no bonus to profile dampening. Only precision and range and By time you get enough precision to see other scouts you paper thin.
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iris boss
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.03 03:17:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote: Cal scout has no bonus to profile dampening. Only precision and range and By time you get enough precision to see other scouts you paper thin.
It does. Now Cal Scout bonus is range and dampening.
I use 3 advanced precision and i have just seen 1 scout to go under my radar but now i'm investing in the proto precision to put in my ck.0 so, it's going for 4 proto precision and 2 proto range amplifiers, i don't think scouts will be a problem for my squad |
2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
334
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Posted - 2014.10.03 04:19:00 -
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See, told ya.
Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
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cammando 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.05 12:45:00 -
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but u wont have a gr8 shield and ehp stuff...they can take u out easily...
i came to a decision....! GAL SCOUTS THE BEST...!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
5498
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:56:00 -
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Have all four. GalScout is best Scout.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:04:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:cal scout has presision...and it is a shield tanking and gal scout has dampening..and it is armour tanking...but...gal scout has passive armour rep...but all the most used weapons in dust 514 are more effective in damaging armour....so cal scouts have a advantage of that and cal scouts cant fit modules like gal scouts as a level 3 cal can fit only a RE cloak shotgun submachine gun..but a gal scout can fit..RE cloak shotgun submachine gun armour plates granades and a armour rep (including passive armour rep)..! so its totally cool...but cal scouts can detect every thing...shield tanking makes it more difficult to kill with combat rail and a hmg even side arms like submachine gun..magsec..bolt..flaylock cannot kill it.. EASILY...but a scrambler pistol and rifle.ion pistol and assault rilfe can...but there are were few who use theM now.....so WHICH IS THE BEST...!!!?? CAL OR GAL..!
The best is the one that fist your play style the most
CalScout has range on passive scans, not precision like Commando here says. AmarrScout gets bonues to precision. GalScout gives bonues to profile, and MinScout gets hacking bonuses. As for the Cal vs Gal scout 1v1, the advantage goes to the GalScout, not the CalScout. The GalScout can hide from the CalScout because of the bonuses.
As for relying on shields - all I have to say is flux grenade.
So again, it goes back to what do you want to do? Do you want to be the hacker running point to point (MinScout), do you want to cast a wide net to know when something is comeing (CalScout), do you want to hide (GalScout), or do you want to find the people best at hiding (AmarrScout)
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:07:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:okay so let us first take these situations in consideration...(which i have encountered)
cal scout with rail rifle + gal scout with rail rifle = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with combat rifle + gal scout with rail rifle = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with mass driver + gal scout with mass driver = cal scout (Wins)
cal scout with sniper + gal scout with sniper = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with submachine gun, magsec, bolt , flay lock + gal with same weapons....= cal scout (wins) due to armor damage
cal scouts with scrambler rifle pistol ion pistol assault rifle + gal scout with same....= GAL scout (wins)
gal scouts even lose with granades like the locus...........but cal scout can be easily killed with FLUX GRANADES...as it destroyes there SHIELD......
AND GAL SCOUTS HAVE PASSIVE ARMOR REPS.....!!! WHICH NO OTHER SCOUT SUIT HAS IN DUST 514...!
so which is better....CAL OR GAL
Everything here is wrong - you are neglecting player skill and fhow much the fitting compliments the players play style, all while assuming people won't move and instead will just stand still.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:54:00 -
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Caldari.
"Removed for hurting my feelings" - CCP
PSN: GMANCASH
Rage Proficiency V
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iris boss
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:27:00 -
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Cal Scout with 2 Complex dampeners won't be seen by any other scout. If you add 4 complex precision you will see all scout with only one complex dampener. The advantage i see on a caldari scout is that level 5 Scout suit + level 5 Range amplifier will give you the advantage to see people around the corner much before they got a chance to see you in the radar, so you can hide and kill with any 1 HKO weapon, Remotes, Shotgun, Knives, Plasma Launcher, etc, if you don't kill them with one shoot just spam the weapon after the first shot to be sure. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:30:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:which is the best scout suit overall....which is good fast has good ehp has good reps.:P ..nd all the good stuff u kno There is no "best suit."
The Amarr is kinda useless, the Minmatar is good if you want to be sneaky and destroy people with knives, while the Caldari and Gallente are the only eWar scouts in the game.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1031
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:36:00 -
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Cal scout. It has way better tanking and has a hidden bonus that every cal scout likes to abuse. The buggy hitbox
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Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
6120
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:39:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Caldari Scout by far! I have many reasons as well:
You tank shields more...regen is faster compared to armor and with the racial bonus to scan precision, you can dampen it out.
The combat rifle is the most popular weapon used by scouts, along with the assault rifle then the submachine gun. These weapons do more damage to armour, and less to shield meaning they have to shoot more bullets at you than the gallante scout next to you.
They have high electronic warfare potential, and high assault potential.
They have hitbox issues :3
My ck.0 fit:
Boundless Combat Rifle Ishokune Nova Knives Ishokune Cloak Field R-9 Drop Uplink 2 Enhanced Dampeners 1 Complex Shield Extender 2 Enhanced Shield Extenders
Lol, this is exactly why when you told me you had 12 million sp, there was nothing i could tell you lol.
@op.
The Gal scout is arguably the best with two ewar bonuses, built in basic armour rep and speed.
It's all preference though.
Well that was spiffing.
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cammando 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:cammando 007 wrote:okay so let us first take these situations in consideration...(which i have encountered)
cal scout with rail rifle + gal scout with rail rifle = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with combat rifle + gal scout with rail rifle = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with mass driver + gal scout with mass driver = cal scout (Wins)
cal scout with sniper + gal scout with sniper = cal scout (wins)
cal scout with submachine gun, magsec, bolt , flay lock + gal with same weapons....= cal scout (wins) due to armor damage
cal scouts with scrambler rifle pistol ion pistol assault rifle + gal scout with same....= GAL scout (wins)
gal scouts even lose with granades like the locus...........but cal scout can be easily killed with FLUX GRANADES...as it destroyes there SHIELD......
AND GAL SCOUTS HAVE PASSIVE ARMOR REPS.....!!! WHICH NO OTHER SCOUT SUIT HAS IN DUST 514...!
so which is better....CAL OR GAL
Everything here is wrong - you are neglecting player skill and fhow much the fitting compliments the players play style, all while assuming people won't move and instead will just stand still.
i was just trying to say that CAL scouts have that tactical advantage and GAL dont.... |
pheonex 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.07 07:18:00 -
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best scout suit....!! CALDARI SCOUT SUIT...! :D
U CAN SEE EVERY THING WITHIN RANGE...! UR A SHEILD TANKER SO U WILL HAVE NATURAL RESISTANCE TO ALL THE RR CR GRANDES MD SMG HMG BOLT FLAYLOCK PLASMA CANNON..! so CAL BEAST...!! U CAN HAVE A REACTIVE PLATE...TO GET A PASSIVE REPPING...:D happy hunting...! :D |
Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
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Posted - 2014.10.07 07:33:00 -
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I use mk.0 scout to run and hack and ck.0 scout to defend the objective
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.07 12:08:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:but u wont have a gr8 shield and ehp stuff...they can take u out easily... i came to a decision....! GAL SCOUTS THE BEST...! Gal scout is a very formidable suit as you can slap on 2 complex damps and you won't get seen unless scanned by gal logi with focused scanner. Cannot tank as much so stealth is one of your greatest asset. Use enviroment to your advantage. If you are running out of cloak hde behind a rock wait for it to regen and then go again. It's armor reps are pretty strong. In your highs go Presicion enhancment if you want to be a good hunter scout or you can go shield extension so you can have a bit more tank. All in all, Gal scout is a terrifiying force on the battlefields. A good fit would be if you like FOTM gk0 scout CreoDron Shotgun or Duvolle Speciallist or K5 for cheaps Six Kin SMG or Kaalakiota MagSec. Six kin for strong CQC and Kaalakiota for better range Grenade of choice Dosn't matter what you use. Flux for opening and finish with SMG and Locus for finishing after retreating Links for PC or RE or Hive. If you use scout for PC use Links if not go RE or Hive for ammo on the go ADV Cloak. Advanced should be fine. Proto will be a little to hefty on the cost of fitting but its all up to you 2x Complex Damps. These keep you unseen use em. 3 is overkill but if you paranoid go for it. 2x Complex Reactives. These brings the regen to a very impressive rate. 10hp/s (i think) hell yes. This will allow more pressure as you are popping in and popping out of battles and you are ready for th next 2x Complex Presicion Enhancers or 2x Complex shield extenders or 1 of each. Precision allos you to see most things even some other scouts. Shield if you want more tank and 1 of each allows you to get the best of both worlds but less effective. If you don't like the Shotty go Boundless CR/Six Kin ACR or Ishukone Assault RR. Duvolle AR isn't a bad choice as well. I hope you learned something young prodigy
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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cammando 007
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:17:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:cammando 007 wrote:but u wont have a gr8 shield and ehp stuff...they can take u out easily... i came to a decision....! GAL SCOUTS THE BEST...! Gal scout is a very formidable suit as you can slap on 2 complex damps and you won't get seen unless scanned by gal logi with focused scanner. Cannot tank as much so stealth is one of your greatest asset. Use enviroment to your advantage. If you are running out of cloak hde behind a rock wait for it to regen and then go again. It's armor reps are pretty strong. In your highs go Presicion enhancment if you want to be a good hunter scout or you can go shield extension so you can have a bit more tank. All in all, Gal scout is a terrifiying force on the battlefields. A good fit would be if you like FOTM gk0 scout CreoDron Shotgun or Duvolle Speciallist or K5 for cheaps Six Kin SMG or Kaalakiota MagSec. Six kin for strong CQC and Kaalakiota for better range Grenade of choice Dosn't matter what you use. Flux for opening and finish with SMG and Locus for finishing after retreating Links for PC or RE or Hive. If you use scout for PC use Links if not go RE or Hive for ammo on the go ADV Cloak. Advanced should be fine. Proto will be a little to hefty on the cost of fitting but its all up to you 2x Complex Damps. These keep you unseen use em. 3 is overkill but if you paranoid go for it. 2x Complex Reactives. These brings the regen to a very impressive rate. 10hp/s (i think) hell yes. This will allow more pressure as you are popping in and popping out of battles and you are ready for th next 2x Complex Presicion Enhancers or 2x Complex shield extenders or 1 of each. Precision allos you to see most things even some other scouts. Shield if you want more tank and 1 of each allows you to get the best of both worlds but less effective. If you don't like the Shotty go Boundless CR/Six Kin ACR or Ishukone Assault RR. Duvolle AR isn't a bad choice as well. I hope you learned something young prodigy
thank you...! :D
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.07 14:46:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:which is the best scout suit overall....which is good fast has good ehp has good reps.:P ..nd all the good stuff u kno caldari scout is the massively OPest of all the OP scouts.
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Aria Gomes
Wirykomi Wolf Pack
565
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Honestly if you want a fast suit and a kinda fast scout suit haha then skill into both Min and Gal. But play each scout differently though. Two different animals though still kinda similar.
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maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:48:00 -
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cammando 007 wrote:min scouts are deadly...with knife has lots of SPEED and HACKING SPEED.....and are SHIELD TANKERS ...!! SO U COME SAFETLY AS U CAN BE RESISTIVE TO RAIL RIFLE....COMBAT RIFLE HMG...ALL THE SIDE ARMS...except scr ion.pistols and assault rifle and scr rifle...!! apart from dat ur safe for everything...! but gal scouts....have a good ehp but they are armor so submachine guns like magsec flaylock submachine gun...bolt pistol..! and all the rifles exceot amarr and gal every thing kills gal...! so which is best Umm I have less than 300 hp on my min and I can't get shot by anything for than twice. If you run your scout the correct way all weapons with kill you instantly. |
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