DUST Search - An Honest Question.

Thumb Green wrote:

SoTa Senpai wrote:

This is an MMOFPSRTSRPG. In what part of that does it say LOBBY SHOOTER? Because that is what casuals are trying to do to this game, turn it into nothing more then that. And the QQing is probably what took CCP off there original course for content and concentrated on core mechanics that were almost PERFECT a ******* YEAR ago.

I know you guys feel empowered because your many, and those of us who can handle PC are few, but accept it. This was the vision CCP themselves had. The Lobby shooter aspect was all you guys were getting to enjoy the mechanics, while the real game happened in Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare.

That is not elitism, that is an amazing game. The Lobby Shooter your fighting for the causal for is what will kill this game ultimately because there will be no appeal to play outside what can be done in match - but Dust is meant to be so much more, so much harder, and you guys just keep crying to dumb it down.

Now PC is broken beyond belief and CCP can't put enough attention on it because the majority of our players are now casuals cause all the PC players quit out of rage of fanfest. So all there attention is on the immediate problems of the so called 'community' as is usually there focus. Which is fine, NPE need such work PC can take a back seat easily, but denying what this game is about, that is something I'll troll you for.

What's sad is you guys feel like your as invested in this game as we are, you're not. Not even close.

Though, in your case Thumb Green, there'd be an exception. You've been around quite a while, lol.

It's still not elitist to say any of this - that's some insane bullshit to even think so.

They might have wanted to call it an MMO/FPS/what have you but it's been a lobby shooter since the beginning. Casuals didn't make it that way, CCP did. They made this game to primarily attract casuals so they could sell AUR to the majority of casuals that would get their asses handed to them by the handful of hardcore players.


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SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2014.10.02 16:14:00 - [1] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: y678iop wrote: Atiim wrote: How many of you guys have played in PC, and what are your thoughts on it? If you haven't what do you think PC is like? Played, fun, lag, to much roof top. Dont like the attitudes it creates. Elitism. People who dont realize pubs are waaaaaaay more important for the health of a game than PC. Just like ANY game. This merc speaks truth. I played 3 or 4 PC battles, wasn't impressed. Now that the ISK faucet is gone, there's really no point beyond epeen and chest beating. The thing that annoys me with it is the elitism of "pc corps" and the PC 1337 kids shitting up every balance thread with "fuk pubs, this would be OP/UP in PC, balance the game for PC, if ur not in PC corp ur scrub ur game experience doesn't mean anything, fuk if u have fun or not kekekekekekekekekek" It's like.. dude, stuff it. The 95% of us who aren't doing PC want a fun game. I like nova knives and sniper rifles. If that's not "viable" in the "competitive" game, then forget the competitive game, I'll stick to my pubs where I can stab and snipe without some FC telling me what I need to do to be "useful." When CCP talked of this game, it wasn't meant for the casual player. It was meant for those with ambition to fight through filth and scum and ideals to create there own lore for there merc, which would in turn, create a story the universe Dust would expand upon and grow and bring to New Eden to fleshed out how the game evolved in both mechanics and lore. It was a wonderful sell - to us hardcore gamers, to felt like CCP was trying to make a heaven for us, a place to ** talk, smack each other around, and beat each other to a pulp while taking each others ** from one another constantly in both the matches themselves and the lands. Casuals wouldn't be able to compete - the progression system would see to that, as being versatile on a tactically played FPS is a huge advantage that often cannot be over-come. Especially against a team set up to hit every counter or FOTM spam the game can offer. Probably the reason team deploy wasn't added in after corp battles were removed, would of been the nail to the coffin for casuals. PC is where this game is meant to be - where this game is meant to evolve and bring interest. The lobby shooter the '95%' of you play, isn't Dust. It's just the mechanics of Dust used to better help CCP gain data to balance and fix the game. Dust is in the land battles, where the hearts and souls of players collide to see who cares more about winning. It's cut-throat. Lethal. And not meant for the weak of heart.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 239	Posted - 2014.10.02 17:08:00 - [2] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: PC is where this game is meant to be - where this game is meant to evolve and bring interest. The lobby shooter the '95%' of you play, isn't Dust. It's just the mechanics of Dust used to better help CCP gain data to balance and fix the game. That's just some stupid elitist bullsh!t right there. It's like saying the only thing EVE is meant to be is Nullsec. Pubs are what have kept Dust alive, without them there wouldn't be enough players to justify so much as replacing the light bulb in the battle server room. This is an MMOFPSRTSRPG. In what part of that does it say LOBBY SHOOTER? Because that is what casuals are trying to do to this game, turn it into nothing more then that. And the QQing is probably what took CCP off there original course for content and concentrated on core mechanics that were almost PERFECT a ******* YEAR ago. I know you guys feel empowered because your many, and those of us who can handle PC are few, but accept it. This was the vision CCP themselves had. The Lobby shooter aspect was all you guys were getting to enjoy the mechanics, while the real game happened in Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare. That is not elitism, that is an amazing game. The Lobby Shooter your fighting for the causal for is what will kill this game ultimately because there will be no appeal to play outside what can be done in match - but Dust is meant to be so much more, so much harder, and you guys just keep crying to dumb it down. Now PC is broken beyond belief and CCP can't put enough attention on it because the majority of our players are now casuals cause all the PC players quit out of rage of fanfest. So all there attention is on the immediate problems of the so called 'community' as is usually there focus. Which is fine, NPE need such work PC can take a back seat easily, but denying what this game is about, that is something I'll troll you for. What's sad is you guys feel like your as invested in this game as we are, you're not. Not even close. Though, in your case Thumb Green, there'd be an exception. You've been around quite a while, lol. It's still not elitist to say any of this - that's some insane bullshit to even think so.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 242	Posted - 2014.10.02 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: This is an MMOFPSRTSRPG. In what part of that does it say LOBBY SHOOTER? Because that is what casuals are trying to do to this game, turn it into nothing more then that. And the QQing is probably what took CCP off there original course for content and concentrated on core mechanics that were almost PERFECT a ***** YEAR ago. I know you guys feel empowered because your many, and those of us who can handle PC are few, but accept it. This was the vision CCP themselves had. The Lobby shooter aspect was all you guys were getting to enjoy the mechanics, while the real game happened in Planetary Conquest and Faction Warfare. That is not elitism, that is an amazing game. The Lobby Shooter your fighting for the causal for is what will kill this game ultimately because there will be no appeal to play outside what can be done in match - but Dust is meant to be so much more, so much harder, and you guys just keep crying to dumb it down. Now PC is broken beyond belief and CCP can't put enough attention on it because the majority of our players are now casuals cause all the PC players quit out of rage of fanfest. So all there attention is on the immediate problems of the so called 'community' as is usually there focus. Which is fine, NPE need such work PC can take a back seat easily, but denying what this game is about, that is something I'll troll you for. What's sad is you guys feel like your as invested in this game as we are, you're not. Not even close. Though, in your case Thumb Green, there'd be an exception. You've been around quite a while, lol. It's still not elitist to say any of this - that's some insane bullshit to even think so. They might have wanted to call it an MMO/FPS/what have you but it's been a lobby shooter since the beginning. Casuals didn't make it that way, CCP did. They made this game to primarily attract casuals so they could sell AUR to the majority of casuals that would get their asses handed to them by the handful of hardcore players. Indeed. :( But it wasn't meant to stay this way - the lobby shooter was just data mining for CCP. Skrim 1.0 is what was supposed to ultimately replace your lobby shooter experience, or at least give you an option outside of PC mode to do something other then lobby shooter. But the content never came, and it isn't the PC players fault. When PC players cry - it's always about FOTM breaking the game to the point that doing anything else is silly. When casuals cry - it's about every, damn, not, broken, thing. And that's the current state of things - no PC players pinpointing weapons abuses in matches where players are trying there hardest to get that win vs the matches where half your team could be AFK, but likely only 2 will be. Whose experience with that gear/weapon will you trust most? The Pub or the PC player? I'm against balancing this game in Pubs. I always have been, even before PC was out, I used to demand CCP would convince more corps to Corp Battle to get there data, because Pubs have too many variables to get any concrete data from - where a competitive match will be more focused. Too many rich people just ***** around, and weapons like ScR and ScP highlight skill over stats, so how are you mining data for it to balance? I fight for the casuals when it comes down to it - as that's where we all start out. We aren't just born hardcore - we find a love and stick with it and become hardcore.
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 242	Posted - 2014.10.02 17:53:00 - [4] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Nope never. Admittedly I am a bit curious at the idea of playing with a team that actually plays as a team, but that curiosity is cancelled by the prospects of nothing but cloaked scouts and heavies. Find a corp willing to just play there favorite suits in the match - PC has become much less serious then it was, and many of the top corps give out land for free just so small corps can enjoy organized matches. This bs about PC players being elitist is just GD guys getting trolled by certain people too much.