DUST Search - [Hotfix Echo] Basic Medium Suits

Jebus McKing wrote:

The goal to my proposal is to make Basic suits a viable option instead of the joke that they are now.

My proposal is that Basics should be equally good at doing Logi stuff as doing Assault stuff but each considerably worse than the specialized suits, creating a nice little niche of their own.

This includes giving them a 2nd equipment slot.

*ducks* I know... I know... but hear me out.

(The rest is all based on the Gallente Medium suits.)

They don't actually need too much of a buff. My proposal is:

+~20% CPU/PG ---> CPU/PG should be slightly worse than Assault/Logi, but not as limiting as it is right now.

+~5% total HP ---> Placing Basics right in the middle between Assaults and Logis.

High/Low slots should be one less than Assaults.

2 equipment slots.

Why should I then spec into Assault/Logi?!

The basic suits would be still much worse at doing either assaulting or being a logibro.

You have less base HP, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and weapon handling bonuses the Assault suits get.

You have less equipment slots, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and equipment bonuses the logi suits get.

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Jebus McKing 706	Posted - 2014.09.30 16:38:00 - [1] - Quote Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here. Discuss. Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
Jebus McKing 706	Posted - 2014.09.30 16:38:00 - [2] - Quote The goal to my proposal is to make Basic suits a viable option instead of the joke that they are now. My proposal is that Basics should be equally good at doing Logi stuff as doing Assault stuff but each considerably worse than the specialized suits, creating a nice little niche of their own. This includes giving them a 2nd equipment slot. ducks I know... I know... but hear me out. (The rest is all based on the Gallente Medium suits.) They don't actually need too much of a buff. My proposal is: +~10% CPU/PG ---> Still worse than Assault/Logi, but not as limiting as it is right now. +~5% total HP ---> Placing Basics right in the middle between Assaults and Logis. High/Low slots should be one less than Assaults. 2 equipment slots. Why should I then spec into Assault/Logi?! The basic suits would be still much worse at doing either assaulting or being a logibro. You have less base HP, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and weapon handling bonuses the Assault suits get. You have less equipment slots, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and equipment bonuses the logi suits get. Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2014.09.30 18:08:00 - [3] - Quote just remove them already...
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 151	Posted - 2014.09.30 18:27:00 - [4] - Quote The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it! Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please!
Jebus McKing 710	Posted - 2014.10.01 13:36:00 - [5] - Quote No love for basic suits? Not Haerr's alt. Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
Kalante Schiffer YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER 764	Posted - 2014.10.01 15:58:00 - [6] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: No love for basic suits? if nobody cares about the racial medium suits, do you think they will use the basic suits? lol heck no. A noob from the academy immediately goes heavy.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 365	Posted - 2014.10.01 16:02:00 - [7] - Quote Change the price to half of what the bonus suits are. Then there will be no need for bonuses to be added. They can stay as they are, but cost alot less. "Anybody order chaos?"
Haerr 1525	Posted - 2014.10.01 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Make pirate faction suits require 2 racial heavy / light / medium skills at 5! :-)
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6096	Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 - [9] - Quote Just make them a lot cheaper than specialised suits and the trade off would be that they have 0 bonuses. Flash gaps.
fell and died 92	Posted - 2014.10.10 12:04:00 - [10] - Quote Orphan Shadow wrote: The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it! Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please! I think the Gallente is the only one that still looks better than the Assault proto variant.

Haerr Clone Manque 1607	Posted - 2014.10.10 12:07:00 - [11] - Quote fell and died wrote: Orphan Shadow wrote: The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it! Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please! I think the Gallente is the only one that still looks better than the Assault proto variant. They ought to just swap those models around. Mercenaries' Mêlée
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 97	Posted - 2014.10.10 12:46:00 - [12] - Quote Double the price of med specialist suits, double the price of light and heavy basic suits, and quadruple the price of light and heavy specialist suits. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 98	Posted - 2014.10.10 12:46:00 - [13] - Quote Double the price of med specialist suits, double the price of light and heavy basic suits, and quadruple the price of light and heavy specialist suits. Increase the price of dropships, tanks, and ads by 4x the current price. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2354	Posted - 2014.10.10 13:41:00 - [14] - Quote What if basic suits got a 5%/level bonus to armor and shield HPs? This would give new players much needed survivability, not tie them to any particular weapon so they can experiment with different options. The specialized suits would still be better at their roles (we would need better Gallente and Caldari Assault bonuses though). Best PvE idea ever!
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 98	Posted - 2014.10.10 13:55:00 - [15] - Quote a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 98	Posted - 2014.10.10 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3544	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:08:00 - [17] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here. Discuss. Kill them and refund the SP.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2354	Posted - 2014.10.10 14:31:00 - [18] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Also where are you getting the 50% EHP from? Best PvE idea ever!
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 400	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:40:00 - [19] - Quote Leave em be, and change the price! Fixed! Drop the price as the value of the basic suit is lower. Why are we giving non bonus suits bonuses? Do we understand commerce in this game? The basic suit shouldn't cost as much as the suit full of bonuses. The suit with bonuses should cost substantially more due to benefits. Is this really that hard to fix? "Anybody order chaos?"
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1139	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:46:00 - [20] - Quote Drastic price reductions, they should be cheaper than the specialized suits. Fixing EWAR

The Master Race Immortal Guides 98	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:30:00 - [21] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase. 5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op. @brad : There are a lot of current price issues like a tank dropship or ads that cost less then my suits. I can only assume it is that way for testing sake. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 98	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:30:00 - [22] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase. 5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op. @brad : There are a lot of current price issues like a tank dropship or ads that cost less then my suits. I can only assume it is that way for testing sake. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. 2903	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:31:00 - [23] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here. Discuss. Kill them and refund the SP. ^ "Tiericide" "The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
Haerr Clone Manque 1615	Posted - 2014.10.10 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here. Discuss. Kill them and refund the SP. Then use the models to make a new class for each frame.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2357	Posted - 2014.10.10 19:05:00 - [25] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase. 5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op. Lol, let me help you out. Just for easy math assume we have a suit with 100 shields and 100 armor. That's a total of 200 EHP. Now if you have level 5 you'll get a 25% bonus to each, so that's an extra 25 shields and 25 armor. Now you have a suit with 125 shields and 125 armor for a total of 250 EHP, an extra 50 EHP. 50 EHP is 25% of 200, not 50%. Best PvE idea ever!
The Master Race Immortal Guides 99	Posted - 2014.10.10 19:20:00 - [26] - Quote Thanks for the correction my meaning and writing do not always go hand in hand not that it changes the point. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 101	Posted - 2014.10.10 19:20:00 - [27] - Quote Thanks for the correction my meaning and writing do not always go hand in hand not that it changes the point. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.10.10 21:27:00 - [28] - Quote No changes aside from slot parity to their racial assault equivalent and their ISK cost being returned to its original value, about half what they are now. %Bonuses and the like are accessed by skilling more fully into the class and using the non-basic suit. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 61	Posted - 2014.10.10 21:37:00 - [29] - Quote The problem is that when you spec into a suit skill you know what you want to get, therefore instead of using a basic frame lv 3 for example I could just get a lv 1 Logi which would still be vastly better. Just kill them off, imo the skill tree should have all the different suits in their race. E.g Assault Caldari-> Logistics Scout Commando Sentinel This means all the suits would be in one place, would encourage people to stay loyal to their race but still allow customisation. Could even add extra racial specific skills with high requirements to reward those who have stayed loyal to their race with all their suits
Spankdamonke Dapper Gentlemen Corporation 30	Posted - 2014.10.10 21:49:00 - [30] - Quote I'd say give them the second equipment slot like you suggested, and a 5% per level bonus to total ammunition capacity. Then they would be a kind of unique suppression fit. Not enough slots and HP to be an Assault, and not enough EQ flexibility to be an effective Logi. Dead in the middle of the two specialist suit varieties, while having some actual utility in battle = Profit.

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 993	Posted - 2014.10.11 04:41:00 - [31] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: The goal to my proposal is to make Basic suits a viable option instead of the joke that they are now. My proposal is that Basics should be equally good at doing Logi stuff as doing Assault stuff but each considerably worse than the specialized suits, creating a nice little niche of their own. This includes giving them a 2nd equipment slot. ducks I know... I know... but hear me out. (The rest is all based on the Gallente Medium suits.) They don't actually need too much of a buff. My proposal is: +~20% CPU/PG ---> CPU/PG should be slightly worse than Assault/Logi, but not as limiting as it is right now. +~5% total HP ---> Placing Basics right in the middle between Assaults and Logis. High/Low slots should be one less than Assaults. 2 equipment slots. Why should I then spec into Assault/Logi?! The basic suits would be still much worse at doing either assaulting or being a logibro. You have less base HP, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and weapon handling bonuses the Assault suits get. You have less equipment slots, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and equipment bonuses the logi suits get. the equipment slot and EHP buff seems a good idea but the slot removal i disagree with as they get lower base ehp then assault anyway and no "bonuses" and lets take.. amarr suits.. basic std 2-2 adv 2-3 pro 3-4 assault std 1-3 adv 2-4 pro 3-5 at std level they seem balanced as both std suits have 4 slots and basic suits would ahve less ehp then assaults but a second equipment slot.. but that brings me onto another topic.. i feel logi need a little bit of a buff or people will just keep useing scout or "buffed medium basic" over actual logi suits if you buff the basics more then logi.. but i am not against the idea of buffing basic suits at all [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 2 Forum Pariah
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 454	Posted - 2014.10.11 05:37:00 - [32] - Quote +1 They should be an average of Assault and Logi suits. Not as good as either at their role, but able to do both roles, so that beginners can get an idea of wheat both specializations are about.
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Capital Punishment. 61	Posted - 2014.10.11 06:06:00 - [33] - Quote Spankdamonke wrote: I'd say give them the second equipment slot like you suggested, and a 5% per level bonus to total ammunition capacity. Then they would be a kind of unique suppression fit. Not enough slots and HP to be an Assault, and not enough EQ flexibility to be an effective Logi. Dead in the middle of the two specialist suit varieties, while having some actual utility in battle = Profit. By giving them more ammo and calling them a suppression fit you are taking away what the commandos were supposed to be.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 367	Posted - 2014.10.11 07:19:00 - [34] - Quote I don't suggest giving them a second equipment slot. I also don't suggest they be eliminated either, I know that when I was a but a newscrub ( now I'm an OldScrub) and the only suit I had was my STD MinLogi there were many times where I would use the Min basic medium as a fill-in for my more expensive (at the time) logi. It was nice occasionally, as I was learning some of what went for the ins and outs of gameplay back then, to have a cheap alternative to my STARTER fits and my Logi. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 103	Posted - 2014.10.11 07:54:00 - [35] - Quote Good point el operator I use a mil heavy suit for my FG and still use mil light suits low detection throw away suits like knife only rambo fit. Why should they be more viable anyway? It all comes down to price that is it and we get supper low prices on the good **** because we are legion testers. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.


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