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Jebus McKing
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:38:00 -
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Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here.
Discuss.
Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
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Jebus McKing
706
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:38:00 -
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The goal to my proposal is to make Basic suits a viable option instead of the joke that they are now.
My proposal is that Basics should be equally good at doing Logi stuff as doing Assault stuff but each considerably worse than the specialized suits, creating a nice little niche of their own.
This includes giving them a 2nd equipment slot.
*ducks* I know... I know... but hear me out.
(The rest is all based on the Gallente Medium suits.)
They don't actually need too much of a buff. My proposal is:
- +~10% CPU/PG ---> Still worse than Assault/Logi, but not as limiting as it is right now.
- +~5% total HP ---> Placing Basics right in the middle between Assaults and Logis.
- High/Low slots should be one less than Assaults.
- 2 equipment slots.
- Why should I then spec into Assault/Logi?!
The basic suits would be still much worse at doing either assaulting or being a logibro.
You have less base HP, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and weapon handling bonuses the Assault suits get.
You have less equipment slots, less room to fit modules, less CPU/PG, and you don't get all the nice fitting and equipment bonuses the logi suits get.
Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
43
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:08:00 -
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just remove them already... |
Orphan Shadow
Waiting For Deployment
151
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:27:00 -
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The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it!
Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please! |
Jebus McKing
710
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:36:00 -
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No love for basic suits? 
Not Haerr's alt. Closed beta vet. @JebusMcKing
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Kalante Schiffer
YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER
764
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Posted - 2014.10.01 15:58:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:No love for basic suits? if nobody cares about the racial medium suits, do you think they will use the basic suits? lol heck no. A noob from the academy immediately goes heavy.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
365
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:02:00 -
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Change the price to half of what the bonus suits are. Then there will be no need for bonuses to be added. They can stay as they are, but cost alot less.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Haerr
1525
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:45:00 -
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Make pirate faction suits require 2 racial heavy / light / medium skills at 5! :-) |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6096
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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Just make them a lot cheaper than specialised suits and the trade off would be that they have 0 bonuses.
Flash gaps.
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fell and died
92
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:04:00 -
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Orphan Shadow wrote:The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it!
Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please!
I think the Gallente is the only one that still looks better than the Assault proto variant. |
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Haerr
Clone Manque
1607
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:07:00 -
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fell and died wrote:Orphan Shadow wrote:The Medium Frame gK.0 looks awesome. I want it!
Sell it for AUR so I don't have to spend 900k to wear it in my quarters please! I think the Gallente is the only one that still looks better than the Assault proto variant.
They ought to just swap those models around.
Mercenaries' Mêlée
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:46:00 -
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Double the price of med specialist suits, double the price of light and heavy basic suits, and quadruple the price of light and heavy specialist suits.
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:46:00 -
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Double the price of med specialist suits, double the price of light and heavy basic suits, and quadruple the price of light and heavy specialist suits. Increase the price of dropships, tanks, and ads by 4x the current price.
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:41:00 -
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What if basic suits got a 5%/level bonus to armor and shield HPs? This would give new players much needed survivability, not tie them to any particular weapon so they can experiment with different options. The specialized suits would still be better at their roles (we would need better Gallente and Caldari Assault bonuses though).
Best PvE idea ever!
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
98
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:55:00 -
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a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp.
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
98
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:55:00 -
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a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3544
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:08:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here.
Discuss.
Kill them and refund the SP. |
Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
2354
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:31:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion.
Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Also where are you getting the 50% EHP from?
Best PvE idea ever!
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
400
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:40:00 -
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Leave em be, and change the price! Fixed! Drop the price as the value of the basic suit is lower. Why are we giving non bonus suits bonuses? Do we understand commerce in this game? The basic suit shouldn't cost as much as the suit full of bonuses. The suit with bonuses should cost substantially more due to benefits.
Is this really that hard to fix?
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1139
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:46:00 -
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Drastic price reductions, they should be cheaper than the specialized suits.
Fixing EWAR
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
98
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:30:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase.
5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op.
@brad : There are a lot of current price issues like a tank dropship or ads that cost less then my suits. I can only assume it is that way for testing sake.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
98
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:30:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase.
5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op.
@brad : There are a lot of current price issues like a tank dropship or ads that cost less then my suits. I can only assume it is that way for testing sake.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:31:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here.
Discuss. Kill them and refund the SP.
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"Tiericide"
"The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
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Haerr
Clone Manque
1615
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Post your Basic Medium suit changes for Hotfix Echo here.
Discuss. Kill them and refund the SP.
Then use the models to make a new class for each frame. |
Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:05:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:a 5% buff be insanely op just think of an armored scout with an extra 50% ehp. Almost any perks would make them better than the specialist suits. Even worse a blanket buff that generalizes the classes. Price is a driving factor, but the changes I stated or ones like them will not be instated do to the need for testing. They may raise the prices of ads and tanks after they have found a nice balance but the rest will most likely stay low till legion. Well, without the bonuses you won't be fitting a cloak and will be easy to spot and still have fewer HP's than a medium by a significant margin. I really don't see how that would be so dangerously OP. Also we're talking basic frames and you're talking about Scouts? Where are you getting the 50% EHP from? At level 5 it's a 25% increase. 5% to shields and armor would come to 25% each = 50% and I don't currently run with a cloak and I am already op.
Lol, let me help you out. Just for easy math assume we have a suit with 100 shields and 100 armor. That's a total of 200 EHP. Now if you have level 5 you'll get a 25% bonus to each, so that's an extra 25 shields and 25 armor. Now you have a suit with 125 shields and 125 armor for a total of 250 EHP, an extra 50 EHP. 50 EHP is 25% of 200, not 50%.
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:20:00 -
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Thanks for the correction my meaning and writing do not always go hand in hand not that it changes the point.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:20:00 -
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Thanks for the correction my meaning and writing do not always go hand in hand not that it changes the point.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
362
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:27:00 -
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No changes aside from slot parity to their racial assault equivalent and their ISK cost being returned to its original value, about half what they are now. %Bonuses and the like are accessed by skilling more fully into the class and using the non-basic suit.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
61
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:37:00 -
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The problem is that when you spec into a suit skill you know what you want to get, therefore instead of using a basic frame lv 3 for example I could just get a lv 1 Logi which would still be vastly better. Just kill them off, imo the skill tree should have all the different suits in their race. E.g
Assault
Caldari-> Logistics
Scout
Commando
Sentinel
This means all the suits would be in one place, would encourage people to stay loyal to their race but still allow customisation. Could even add extra racial specific skills with high requirements to reward those who have stayed loyal to their race with all their suits |
Spankdamonke
Dapper Gentlemen Corporation
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:49:00 -
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I'd say give them the second equipment slot like you suggested, and a 5% per level bonus to total ammunition capacity. Then they would be a kind of unique suppression fit. Not enough slots and HP to be an Assault, and not enough EQ flexibility to be an effective Logi.
Dead in the middle of the two specialist suit varieties, while having some actual utility in battle = Profit. |
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