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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:44:00 -
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Serious question - at 20m SP and loving life/death in DUST, what are the best reasons for playing the other modes?
Factional Warfare... Planetary Conquest... Should I even bother?
Am I a scrub? A try hard? A noob/desperado/gg/qq etc etc....
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Generic Gristle
Gallen Scrub
10
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:01:00 -
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FW gets you nice rifles. GL with queue times, or fighting for caldari.
PC is for these lot; http://www.dustcharts.com/moldenheath |
al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
142
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:05:00 -
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Thanks for the link. Fascinating chart. I didn't even know these massive corps had alliances. That's actually pretty scary looking...
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1832
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:07:00 -
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In my opinion , PC is the place to be IF you have a great group and can field a solid 16 man team. However for most average / casual players its just not something most are interested in.
FW, well each faction has a few weapons that are proto with lower fitting requirements (nice) and equipment that is slightly better than proto in some ways (very nice)
Other than that though pubs are good.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4802
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:08:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Serious question - at 20m SP and loving life/death in DUST, what are the best reasons for playing the other modes?
Factional Warfare... Planetary Conquest... Should I even bother?
Am I a scrub? A try hard? A noob/desperado/gg/qq etc etc....
PC is tough to get into. Many players don't like the idea of having to stick with a role or stay in a spot based upon the strategy being used for that battle.
They also don't like waiting around before the battles only to not be selected for the match.
They also don't like being asked to skill into areas in order to be utilized more often.
They HATE it when they are told that certain things just simply are not viable in the PC setting.
But fighting in PC is in my opinion the most rewarding thing in Dust. At the same time it is by far the most discouraging thing, although much less the case now that passive ISK has been removed.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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John ShepardIII
DUST University
760
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:12:00 -
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PC is basically for fun hopefully tough fights
The True Shepard.
Helping noobs everywhere. *Lvl .7 Forum Warrior
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1585
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:13:00 -
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FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights.
We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
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John ShepardIII
DUST University
760
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:13:00 -
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Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice
The True Shepard.
Helping noobs everywhere. *Lvl .7 Forum Warrior
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4802
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:20:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights.
Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3860
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:26:00 -
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The biggest thing is that FacWar and PC have a more direct effect on the game. FacWar affects FacWar in EVE, and you'll see real EVE pilots providing orbital strikes. You queue for a particular faction you support, so there's a lore aspect too. PC has really no meaning for EVE, but is the high tier ability to "own" land in DUST.
I think there's a lot more we can do to make FacWar appealing to players.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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John ShepardIII
DUST University
760
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:33:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The biggest thing is that FacWar and PC have a more direct effect on the game. FacWar affects FacWar in EVE, and you'll see real EVE pilots providing orbital strikes. You queue for a particular faction you support, so there's a lore aspect too. PC has really no meaning for EVE, but is the high tier ability to "own" land in DUST.
I think there's a lot more we can do to make FacWar appealing to players.
FW is where the guys that can't do PC go and just people who do normal pubs are the ones who can't do FW
The True Shepard.
Helping noobs everywhere. *Lvl .7 Forum Warrior
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Serious question - at 20m SP and loving life/death in DUST, what are the best reasons for playing the other modes?
Factional Warfare... Planetary Conquest... Should I even bother?
Am I a scrub? A try hard? A noob/desperado/gg/qq etc etc....
PC is tough to get into. Many players don't like the idea of having to stick with a role or stay in a spot based upon the strategy being used for that battle. They also don't like waiting around before the battles only to not be selected for the match. They also don't like being asked to skill into areas in order to be utilized more often. They HATE it when they are told that certain things just simply are not viable in the PC setting. But fighting in PC is in my opinion the most rewarding thing in Dust. At the same time it is by far the most discouraging thing, although much less the case now that passive ISK has been removed.
Thank you for the info. So if I am not a member of one of the big corps - am I still going to be able to get into PC? It's a corporation thing only?
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:35:00 -
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John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice
Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions..
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4806
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:48:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Serious question - at 20m SP and loving life/death in DUST, what are the best reasons for playing the other modes?
Factional Warfare... Planetary Conquest... Should I even bother?
Am I a scrub? A try hard? A noob/desperado/gg/qq etc etc....
PC is tough to get into. Many players don't like the idea of having to stick with a role or stay in a spot based upon the strategy being used for that battle. They also don't like waiting around before the battles only to not be selected for the match. They also don't like being asked to skill into areas in order to be utilized more often. They HATE it when they are told that certain things just simply are not viable in the PC setting. But fighting in PC is in my opinion the most rewarding thing in Dust. At the same time it is by far the most discouraging thing, although much less the case now that passive ISK has been removed. Thank you for the info. So if I am not a member of one of the big corps - am I still going to be able to get into PC? It's a corporation thing only?
Yeah, the districts are a corporate asset. And you have to be in a corporation with roles to purchase and launch attacks on someone else's district.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4806
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:51:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions..
There are potentially ISK rewards for PC, but that is solely dependent on the success of your group. For many it's just another ISK sink despite what you read on these forums.
FW provides higher tier gear with lower SP requirements (like AUR gear) and some items perform better than regular proto gear.
FW provides no ISK payout.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1585
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:07:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you.
Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match.
We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:22:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions..
Once again, thanks for the info!
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The biggest thing is that FacWar and PC have a more direct effect on the game. FacWar affects FacWar in EVE, and you'll see real EVE pilots providing orbital strikes. You queue for a particular faction you support, so there's a lore aspect too. PC has really no meaning for EVE, but is the high tier ability to "own" land in DUST.
I think there's a lot more we can do to make FacWar appealing to players.
The lack of isk puts me off it I think. I remember trying it a while back and being into the idea of factional weapons - but I lost too much isk and found myself reluctant to go back.
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:25:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you. Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match.
It would be interesting if small corps could make a big difference with ninja-ish scouty tactics or something like that.
Definitely I would like to see a way that those not in big corporations can get involved in the different game modes..
GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:29:00 -
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your best fits will become a mixture of fw equipment because the lowered fitting requirements/cpu/pg |
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John ShepardIII
DUST University
765
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions.. There are potentially ISK rewards for PC, but that is solely dependent on the success of your group. For many it's just another ISK sink despite what you read on these forums. FW provides higher tier gear with lower SP requirements (like AUR gear) and some items perform better than regular proto gear. FW provides no ISK payout.
On a good day of doing 2 to 3 PCs you can make around 10 mill
The True Shepard.
Helping noobs everywhere. *Lvl .7 Forum Warrior
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1605
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:29:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:Serious question - at 20m SP and loving life/death in DUST, what are the best reasons for playing the other modes?
Factional Warfare... Planetary Conquest... Should I even bother?
Am I a scrub? A try hard? A noob/desperado/gg/qq etc etc....
PC is tough to get into. Many players don't like the idea of having to stick with a role or stay in a spot based upon the strategy being used for that battle. They also don't like waiting around before the battles only to not be selected for the match. They also don't like being asked to skill into areas in order to be utilized more often. They HATE it when they are told that certain things just simply are not viable in the PC setting. But fighting in PC is in my opinion the most rewarding thing in Dust. At the same time it is by far the most discouraging thing, although much less the case now that passive ISK has been removed. Thank you for the info. So if I am not a member of one of the big corps - am I still going to be able to get into PC? It's a corporation thing only? no you do not need to be part of a big corp or alliance to play in PC because you can be a mercenarie and have people pay you to play.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4811
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:31:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you. Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match.
Actually its awesome to be able to participate in matches where it's all on your group. There are not 5 snipers or 5 tanks or 2 dudes racing LAVs.
It's also nice to iron out strategies and see them work.
I don't know anyone that plays PC to be able to brag. Bragging and smack talking is just a byproduct of any competitive human interaction, it's weird that you haven't recognized that in your everyday life.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
molon labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4811
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:33:00 -
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John ShepardIII wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions.. There are potentially ISK rewards for PC, but that is solely dependent on the success of your group. For many it's just another ISK sink despite what you read on these forums. FW provides higher tier gear with lower SP requirements (like AUR gear) and some items perform better than regular proto gear. FW provides no ISK payout. On a good day of doing 2 to 3 PCs you can make around 10 mill
or one can lose 3 to 6 million ISK pretty easily if their team doesn't win those 2 to 3 PCs.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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John ShepardIII
DUST University
765
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:36:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:John ShepardIII wrote:Oh yeah and getting Isk is nice Is there a bigger isk reward involved with PC and FW? there's no isk in FW right?? Sorry for all the questions.. There are potentially ISK rewards for PC, but that is solely dependent on the success of your group. For many it's just another ISK sink despite what you read on these forums. FW provides higher tier gear with lower SP requirements (like AUR gear) and some items perform better than regular proto gear. FW provides no ISK payout. On a good day of doing 2 to 3 PCs you can make around 10 mill or one can lose 3 to 6 million ISK pretty easily if their team doesn't win those 2 to 3 PCs.
That's why I usually don't ring for corps that I think are going to lose
The True Shepard.
Helping noobs everywhere. *Lvl .7 Forum Warrior
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1606
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:40:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you. Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match. Actually its awesome to be able to participate in matches where it's all on your group. There are not 5 snipers or 5 tanks or 2 dudes racing LAVs. It's also nice to iron out strategies and see them work. I don't know anyone that plays PC to be able to brag. Bragging and smack talking is just a byproduct of any competitive human interaction, it's weird that you haven't recognized that in your everyday life. PC to most people may be different but it all boils down to enjoy fighting in a clan battle setting. isk, bragging, owning a bunch of districts means absolutely nothing it really is just a way to have clan battles and clan battles are what most people who play FPS games like to take part in.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2143
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you.
Tanks did
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Aramis Madrigal
Pure Evil.
302
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:07:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you. Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match. Actually its awesome to be able to participate in matches where it's all on your group. There are not 5 snipers or 5 tanks or 2 dudes racing LAVs. It's also nice to iron out strategies and see them work. I don't know anyone that plays PC to be able to brag. Bragging and smack talking is just a byproduct of any competitive human interaction, it's weird that you haven't recognized that in your everyday life.
Top tier PC is the only place you're going to find 16 guys in full proto, using combined arms tactics, playing in a completely objective focused manner. The level of talent and coordination is significantly higher than in pub matches. I think the primary draw is the level of competition and organization. The chirping is either an ancillary benefit or a minor distraction, depending on your point of view.
Cheers,
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6090
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:13:00 -
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Pubs for fun.
Factional for slightly more organised play.
Pc for a higher level of play (scouts, heavies, dropships and maybe 2 logis per team).
Ok.........now say that in quif.
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REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
72
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:29:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:FW is nice cause you can get specilist versions of some proto weapons which take up as much CPU & PG as adv tier. Gear in general is also just cheaper from the loyalty store.
PC is just a mode for people to suck their own dicks in but I'll be damned if they aren't good at it. Seriously though, the only reason to play it is for bragging rights. Awwww, point to the area on the doll where PC touched you. Someone is a little sensitive. You can't tell me the only point of PC now isn't to be able to brag about one's corp having districts or otherwise kicking some corp's **** in during a PC match. It would be interesting if small corps could make a big difference with ninja-ish scouty tactics or something like that. Definitely I would like to see a way that those not in big corporations can get involved in the different game modes..
That is what alliances are for. Plenty alliances in PC do it since they can no longer field full teams on their own. 3 Corps with 3 good squads = 1 PC team. Just be warned, it costs lots and lots of isk (50 mil for half to 1/4 of what they will have to defend with) and the first couple will be embarassing. Flipping a district is time consuming also. Mercing is what this game is all about so feel free to hire some of the top guns from TSO's. Just look up CEO's/Directors in game.
With the ADS nerf though, if you have gun game and good tactics, you actually have a chance now. No more ADS spam in PC for the win. |
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