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Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 38	Posted - 2014.09.30 09:28:00 - [1] - Quote Turbo Hall wrote: I'm not as skilled as a lot of you guys are. But every one is complaining about everyone else. Real snipers will never be in the middle of battles unless out of ammo or area is not ideal for a sniper. But if everyone is complaining of camping in red line area then if I'm there then I'm doing my job. But I look for high roofs or hills usually closer to enemy red line to snipe there snipers. Also I think a limit of snipers per battle might be a better idea then nerffing the rifles more than they are. Like 2 per side each battle. Just my 2 cents Uhm... No. Unless every class is limited to 2 per battle, then no. People keep (wrongly) complaining that snipers do nothing for their team, and yet they're also complaining that they're getting killed by them. If a sniper did nothing to help a match, people wouldn't be complaining about dying to them. I also think that some players need to actually look at where the redline is. I was sat in a vantage point one match when a squad member came and sat by me to help snipe - enemies on a roof were stopping us hacking an objective. We cleared the roof together, but then a heavy in their LAV came to hunt us down. I ran off to a new point, but my squad mate got killed. They then received a mail from this heavy who was throwing his toys out the pram because there were 3 snipers that match and it wasn't fair. And he claimed we were in the redline. Only, that's my favourite sniping spot for that map regardless of which side I start on. It's a pain to get to, but it's definitely out of the redline, and since he had actually come to find us, he should have known that! Also worth noting that a redline penalty won't work because teams will still get redlined, and will need to kill from there. If we want to complain about players being in the redline, can we start with those super-speedy invisible scouts who OHK you just after you spawn at your home point? They're definitely in the redline, only difference being that it's the enemy one.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 38	Posted - 2014.09.30 17:04:00 - [2] - Quote PROPHET HELLSCREAM wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: I also think that some players need to actually look at where the redline is. I was sat in a vantage point one match when a squad member came and sat by me to help snipe - enemies on a roof were stopping us hacking an objective. We cleared the roof together, but then a heavy in their LAV came to hunt us down. ... And he claimed we were in the redline. Only, that's my favourite sniping spot for that map regardless of which side I start on. It's a pain to get to, but it's definitely out of the redline, and since he had actually come to find us, he should have known that! the same happened with me this sunday... but it happen in the map with the 6 towers i was in the base of the 2 tower and he keeped spawning in the top of the tower opposite to mine! and he mail me saying i was in the red line blabla bla... !! Oh no, I wasn't annoyed that he thought we were in the redline just because we killed him, what I'm annoyed about is that he was so silly to think that when he had actually come right up to us to kill us, thus standing in the not-red-line spot we were sat in. If we were in the redline, then he would have been dead after he stood there trying to shoot me for a good 20 seconds while I ran away. So I think part of the problem is that the people who claim snipers are in the redline just can't tell what's redline and what's not (clue: the bit with red stripes on it in your radar/where yo suicide if you've been there too long). If I was in the redline, I'd put my hands up and admit to it. But I do try and stay out the redline as a general rule. PROPHET HELLSCREAM wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: If we want to complain about players being in the redline, can we start with those super-speedy invisible scouts who OHK you just after you spawn at your home point? They're definitely in the redline, only difference being that it's the enemy one. Whel said... or when in domination they keep there around the cap point, running, farming kills without trying once to cap the objetive!! yes cloacked units are in the same level as red line snipers. sooo lets talk about nerfing the cloacks too!!! Again thx for delta!! headshot is more efective ! Yep. Why do people want snipers nerfed when cloaked shotgunners are much worse. I honestly think there's less risk to running around invisible than sitting in the redline. When I have been sat in the redline, I've been killed plenty. When I ran around invisible once or twice, I managed to survive for ages! (But please don't remove cloaks. I find killing a cloaker far more satisfying than killing a scout without one. (not as satisfying as taking out a sentinel with a sniper rifle though)
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 38	Posted - 2014.09.30 17:40:00 - [3] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: people want the redline nerfed not the snipers in particular (weather or not they know the difference) the only problem is that the redline can never change, it cant be moved/adjusted or redesigned. the only thing you could potentially do is remove wp and stat rewards for killing while your in your own redline, and even that wont really fix the problem as much as it just discourages its use in pub matches Removing WP for killing while in the redline won't work - if you're being redlined, there's not much of an option but to kill in the redline. I've had to snipe a few people from within my redline because they camp just outside it and headshot you as you try to get into the match. The maps need changing in their entirety. If the redline was always a flat, empty area and the maps had lots of nice little hidey holes for snipers, then I'm pretty sure that would solve the problem. Or make the redline in a crater so you can't see out of it unless you climb up and skyline yourself, thus clearly showing your position.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 38	Posted - 2014.09.30 17:59:00 - [4] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: not working and not providing rewards are two different things, it will work it just happens to also punish another group unfairly while it does so. granted if your redlined that badly i suggest sitting in the MCC anyways so its not a big deal if you dont get WP or stats for that kinda matchup Why would anyone even try and break out of the redline if they were getting no reward for doing so? Not giving points for killing the team redlining you just causes people to give up trying. People will end up quitting the matches when they get redlined, because they'll earn 0SP for sticking around, whereas they could at least earn some if they quit and started a new match.

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