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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.28 14:08:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UHZy_CCM6c
Watch this short 1min video to see why. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
16862
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Posted - 2014.09.28 14:25:00 -
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Stuff 514 says
200 Damage Base
Minmatar Bonus is +5% per level up to 3 This brings it up to 230
Assumed +1 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Mod so + 6% 243.8 Damage
Two Swipes 487.6
Damage type is Neutral so no modifiers on that incoming damage nor any resistances.
Then Fully Charged I believe is 2.5x Damage modifier or 250% 1219 Damage
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
2472
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Posted - 2014.09.28 14:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Then Fully Charged I believe is 2.5x Damage modifier or 250%
I assume dropsuit affects damage after proficiency, and damage mods affect damage after all skills have been applied.
Proficiency III (9% base damage increase) Minmatar Scout Dropsuit V (25% damage increase) Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier (6% damage increase)
Gives us:
(200 * 1.09) * 1.25 * 1.06 = 288.85
Multiply that by two swipes, you get 577.7. Not close enough...
Lets work backwards and take the number our friend has found: 722 damage.
577.7 * x (unknown multiplier) = 722 x = 1.249
So there's a missing 25% damage increase somewhere.
Let us assume CCP have made the nova knives charge at 10% increments. ie. charging anywhere between 0 and 10% gives you the 10% bonus.
If IWS' 250% modifier is correct, that could explain the additional 25%.
Or: we're assuming simply hitting the trigger incurs 0.06s of the full 0.6s charge time of prototype nova knives, and grants the related 25% damage bonus (10% of 250%).
If this is true, then nova knifers technically should be able to achieve full damage at a 90% charge.
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:33:00 -
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My suit had 1 side arm damage mod on it the skill his maxed for minja and prof is lvl 3 no matter which way you slice it I cannot figure it out how they are adding crap up. and why am I dropping proto heavys with only prof 3 anyways? |
Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:43:00 -
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TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:My suit had 1 side arm damage mod on it the skill his maxed for minja and prof is lvl 3 no matter which way you slice it I cannot figure it out how they are adding crap up. and why am I dropping proto heavys with only prof 3 anyways? I don't see why you shouldn't be able to drop Sentinels with Prof. III
The 1st Matari Commando
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
4464
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Posted - 2014.09.28 16:35:00 -
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I have seen numbers from people testing NKs from anywhere between 2.0 to to 2.3 and even 2.5.
From what I have understood, there is no partial charge bonus. I could be wrong though.
Otherwise, I would be inclined to believe IWS's numbers. They looked spot on to me.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1009
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Posted - 2014.09.28 16:43:00 -
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Actually its 1 min and 38 seconds
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Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
31
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Posted - 2014.09.28 17:17:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Actually its 1 min and 38 seconds
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Boll Spirit
Iberica Racing Team
32
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Posted - 2014.09.28 17:30:00 -
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The other day i saw someone posting about nova , i don-Št remember the thread , but he explained that you have to add melee damage , confirmed in a ticket from CCP , a full charge nova with minmatar scout was about 1640 dmg . |
TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.09.28 18:08:00 -
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Boll Spirit wrote:The other day i saw someone posting about nova , i don-Št remember the thread , but he explained that you have to add melee damage , confirmed in a ticket from CCP , a full charge nova with minmatar scout was about 1640 dmg .
What kind of bs is that? melee damage has to be added? that's it. im going to send in a ticket myself. because melee mods go up to 100% ef and that should have nothing to do with anything. |
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maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.09.28 18:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Stuff 514 says
200 Damage Base
Minmatar Bonus is +5% per level up to 3 This brings it up to 230
Assumed +1 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Mod so + 6% 243.8 Damage
Two Swipes 487.6
Damage type is Neutral so no modifiers on that incoming damage nor any resistances.
Then Fully Charged I believe is about 2.5x Damage modifier or 250% 1219 Damage
Very Lethal, Much Stab, Wow, Make alotta-holes
This however doesn't explain where you get 200 more damage from unless...
Assumed +2 Enhanced SIdearm Damage Mods So 15% + 6% + 5%
252.43 Damage
Two Swipes 504.86
2.5x full charge
1262.15
hmmm 150 short still.
Unless
3x complex!
So 15%+8%+7%+5% 269.04 x2 538.08 x2.5 1345.2
Hmmm
Full Minja Mode! 25% + 8% +7% + 5%! Yeah that should do it! 289.04 2x 578.08 2.5x 1445.2 which is over the amount needed to slay your volunteer.
Either I got the charge times wrong or something else is at play.
BTW Stuff SDE website is still on charlie, that that it should matter much. First off using damage mids on min scout is the wrong way to go use percision so you can find all you enemys. Heres a better explanation. Im gonna use proto knives as an example. Base damage 200 If both blades connect it 400 damage 200 per blade, thats without charging. If you get a full charge stab and both blades connect its 800 damage, the charge multiplies the damage by 2. If you have lvl 5 min scout with lvl 5 prof knives and you connect both blades with a charge stab it does 1120 damage. |
Appia Nappia
1150
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Posted - 2014.09.28 20:06:00 -
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I would give Bayeth Mal's left nut for CCP to officially release all the numbers to Charge Multipliers on all weapons that have them
So very tired
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Francois Sanchez
What The French Red Whines.
116
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Posted - 2014.09.28 21:29:00 -
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The first damage output is surprising, however the charged attack deals exactly what it's supposed to deal (2.5 multiplier and not 2 as somebody said above) 200 base damage *1.25 (minja V) *1.09 (prof III) *1.06 (damage mod) *2 (2 hits) *2.5 (charge mode)
That's 1443 HP
For the first attack though I don't know, are you sure you didn't hit the guy a few seconds before starting the video? Even if the guy has recovered the damage you inflicted at that time it's taken into account for some time.
You should try the uncharged swipe again, but this time on the sentinel so that the guy survives and you can actually see exactly how many HP he lost. I've noticed that damage inflicted by the killer is often overrated (for example I'm often supposed to have received 600 damage whereas my scout has 300 HP, I know the guy can deal more damage than my HP, but with a fully automatic weapon I hardly imagine the guy systematically shooting 10 extra rounds whereas I'm already dead)
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9587
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Posted - 2014.09.28 22:34:00 -
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TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Boll Spirit wrote:The other day i saw someone posting about nova , i don-Št remember the thread , but he explained that you have to add melee damage , confirmed in a ticket from CCP , a full charge nova with minmatar scout was about 1640 dmg . What kind of bs is that? melee damage has to be added? that's it. im going to send in a ticket myself. because melee mods go up to 100% ef and that should have nothing to do with anything.
I just submitted a ticket to CCP to find out what is the precise formula used for calculating damage output on the knives. I'll let you know what's the status.
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.09.29 03:07:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:The first damage output is surprising, however the charged attack deals exactly what it's supposed to deal (2.5 multiplier and not 2 as somebody said above) 200 base damage *1.25 (minja V) *1.09 (prof III) *1.06 (damage mod) *2 (2 hits) *2.5 (charge mode)
That's 1443 HP
For the first attack though I don't know, are you sure you didn't hit the guy a few seconds before starting the video? Even if the guy has recovered the damage you inflicted at that time it's taken into account for some time.
You should try the uncharged swipe again, but this time on the sentinel so that the guy survives and you can actually see exactly how many HP he lost. I've noticed that damage inflicted by the killer is often overrated (for example I'm often supposed to have received 600 damage whereas my scout has 300 HP, I know the guy can deal more damage than my HP, but with a fully automatic weapon I hardly imagine the guy systematically shooting 10 extra rounds whereas I'm already dead)
He is a close friend numbers were not be 'overrated' it takes my two swipes to take down MLT heavys so I guess it was about around 600 but I didn't know it was that high. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9588
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Posted - 2014.09.29 04:09:00 -
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What's interesting is that according to Protofits using the Ishukone Nova Knives on a Minmatar Light Frame with Proficiency Maxed out as a control, one can see that the expected damage output is 1,150 HP total assuming two hits and a charge multiplier of 2.5x.
This without suit bonus because the knife is fitted on a light frame and this is before sidearm damage mods are applied.
EDIT:
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/8089
Here is one with the suit fitted for maximum knife damage possible. Base knife damage is at 347.25 HP per blade. Assuming the above calculations, that brings it to a whopping 1,736 HP (rounded down).
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1324
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Posted - 2014.09.29 06:03:00 -
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CCP has stated in many previous posts in the past that melee bonuses DO NOT apply to Nova Knife damage.
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2014.09.29 06:27:00 -
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Look nerds it makes perfect scene, you stab the thing and it dies.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2014.09.29 07:41:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:
I assume dropsuit affects damage after proficiency, and damage mods affect damage after all skills have been applied.
Proficiency III (9% base damage increase) Minmatar Scout Dropsuit V (25% damage increase) Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier (6% damage increase)
Gives us:
(200 * 1.09) * 1.25 * 1.06 = 288.85
education these days ...
basic math tip: it does not matter in which order you multiply, it will always be the same result
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
16890
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:56:00 -
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Cpt McReady wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:
I assume dropsuit affects damage after proficiency, and damage mods affect damage after all skills have been applied.
Proficiency III (9% base damage increase) Minmatar Scout Dropsuit V (25% damage increase) Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier (6% damage increase)
Gives us:
(200 * 1.09) * 1.25 * 1.06 = 288.85
education these days ... basic math tip: it does not matter in which order you multiply, it will always be the same result
The only time I would use ( n * n ) * n is to signify that range within parentheses are subject to the much more confusing stacking penalty though not sure about the case here.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Sergeant Sazu
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
135
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:36:00 -
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My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P
Edit: Sorry if this counts as reviving the thread, I took a while to get to it.
Using Breach weapons before they were buffed.
No longer the unicorn.
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:38:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P
We all know we sound like bitches to ourselves I thought sounded fine. Tell your sister I said hi. |
Sergeant Sazu
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
135
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:42:00 -
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TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P We all know we sound like bitches to ourselves I thought sounded fine. Tell your sister I said hi.
She's not into you. Stop trying.
Using Breach weapons before they were buffed.
No longer the unicorn.
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:46:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P We all know we sound like bitches to ourselves I thought sounded fine. Tell your sister I said hi. She's not into you. Stop trying.
Just because shes 12 does not mean she needs to be afraid of boys. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9589
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:48:00 -
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TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P We all know we sound like bitches to ourselves I thought sounded fine. Tell your sister I said hi. She's not into you. Stop trying. Just because shes 12 does not mean she needs to be afraid of boys.
Guys, take it outside at the school yard.
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Sergeant Sazu
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
135
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:My voice sounds weird. Panda, why didn't you tell me I had such a nerdy voice?
Anyways, yeah. I have no idea why it dealt 361 per uncharged hit. He made sure it wasn't a headshot. As stated earlier, it's possible that just tapping R1 counts as a small portion of the charge and therefore adds a certain bonus.
Whether we'll figure this out or not, atleast it's in favor of more damage, right? :P We all know we sound like bitches to ourselves I thought sounded fine. Tell your sister I said hi. She's not into you. Stop trying. Just because shes 12 does not mean she needs to be afraid of boys. Guys, take it outside at the school yard.
I should take this pedophile to prison. >_>
"Breach weapon specialist-"
-Puts two pairs of sunglasses on Assault gk.0-
"-before it was cool."
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TH1EFOFSOuLS
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
32
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Posted - 2014.09.29 20:01:00 -
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get on dust already sazu we got killin to do |
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