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a brackers molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:17:00 - [1] - Quote Rattati I know it's a complete change but you want ads to be strafing, they need high rof. What you want for a staffing ship for all three guns is the mag to be empty in about 1 second, take 5 or 6 seconds to reload (8 max) and do enough damage to keep actually be able to damage tanks when they will shield rep for that time. Therefore all light turrets should do approximately 3 - 3.5 k damage per mag. And have the splash damage enough that if you are trying to hit a particular target and you are aiming as you fly, you'll kill the person. (Ie if say 50% of a mag lands within range of an armor tanked logi or commando you are likely to kill them. This means if you do a literal strafing run just hitting everything along the line you are flying along for the 1 second you will fire, you are unlikely to get any kills but will cause some damage to everyone. (Missile should work like large Missile currently does on tanks, rail should be slightly faster firing than pre Delta, and have its splash damage back, but have a much smaller mag and Blaster should have slightly wider splash and more damage with a much smaller mag. Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:19:00 - [2] - Quote Or as the person two up said burst variants would help Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.09.30 16:29:00 - [3] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Just an update on the situation of ads: Any swarmer can basically keep an ads away except for 10 seconds every minute roughly, factoring 2 skilled complex afterburner getaways. Any 2 swarmers with adv swarms can effectively kill an ADS 100% of the time. Any swarmer combined with a forgegun/collision/tank/turret/plasma can effectively kill an ADS 100% of the time. In the matches i have been experimenting with both the incubus and the python, every match has numerous people with skilled swarm launchers, as soon as more than 1 person fires at me, the swarms catch up and kill me, even running away at full speed with a complex afterburner. IDK if this is balance or what you intended, just letting you know what is possible with a proto swarm launcher that costs 28 K isk in comparison to a 380k ADS. This is on par with what I have seen, hence I've stopped playing Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:18:00 - [4] - Quote Rattati, ran out of characters to do a quote. What I would recommend as we currently can't do B or C is re introducing turret variants. Give us an av and an ai of each turret and maybe a half way in between. Av should be high direct damage but no splash. Ai is moderate splash damage with not much higher direct damage. You are trying to encourage ads to strafe. This means we need a similar mechanic to the large Missile turret for all our turrets. We need to fire a lot of damage over about a second or two and then take a while to reload. Then the ads skill can be too increase mag size to increase the length of the strafe we can do. One suggestion for the av variants is you could have no magazines. Total ammo such that the total damage of proto max skills can kill a heavily tanked proto tank if most of the shots hit. Then you have to go to a supply depo to rearm. This also means the tank can dodge some of your fire then doesn't have to worry about you for a bit. (Don't make it so we can kill the tank in like 5 seconds though. At least 20 seconds of hovering to kill it so if there is any enemy av the tank will survive as the ads gets thrown off course by the av) Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:20:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Here are some of my favorite fits: Myron: Decent passive buffer. Strong active tank. Only problem (as I have said before) is that the hardener visual affect blocks a gunners view too much, making it extremely difficult to fight back AV. If it could be removed from turrets or (more likely) toned down and made more transparent, it would help a lot. Active Grimsnes: Haven't tried this, was just theorycrafting but it looks pretty good. Extra shielding in a pinch, armor hardener increases reps to about 167ehp/s. 5767ehp before reps. However, it also has the problem of hardeners blocking gunners' view. Python: The tried and true. Best fit imo. I have noticed other pilots using a complex light shield booster over the light extender and have been wanting to try it myself. I've considered changing my tactic to always have an AB running and retreat when it's recharging, using the booster as emergency ehp. The "Rattati Semapi Noticed Me": Haven't really had much success as far as team usage, but I still think it's worth keeping around. Maybe one day it will. (Though I still want a PG reduction for the mCRU to fit a better AB, among other reasons) Incubus: Best Incubus fit. Can fit all proto turrets. (Requires armor fitting 3 with basic AB, 4 for ADV AB). I'll post a proper reply later today, I have classes for now. One thing I'd wish you'd consider is introducing turret variants to fill specific roles. Some ideas: Accelerated Missile: AV specialized; high direct damage, low splash damage and radius, faster with longer range for air-to-air. Fragmented Missiles: AI specialized; larger radius and moderate splash damage, lower direct damage, shorter range (150-175 perhaps). Scattered Blaster: For LAVs and tanks; very high rof and moderate RoF (highest dps), short range with considerable dispersion, fast rotation speed. Condensed Blaster: For DSs; low RoF with higher damage per shot (still lower DPS than above), longer range and tighter dispersion, very low rotation speed (near rail level, to prevent use on LAVs, DS gunners don't need to turn as fast because of the longer ranges they'll be engaging and their limited turning anyway). [Rails TBD] Python, why not do advanced heavy shield extender and basic heavy shield extender. Cheaper and more hp Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 83	Posted - 2014.10.06 19:15:00 - [6] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: a brackers wrote: Rattati, ran out of characters to do a quote. What I would recommend as we currently can't do B or C is re introducing turret variants. Give us an av and an ai of each turret and maybe a half way in between. Av should be high direct damage but no splash. Ai is moderate splash damage with not much higher direct damage. You are trying to encourage ads to strafe. This means we need a similar mechanic to the large Missile turret for all our turrets. We need to fire a lot of damage over about a second or two and then take a while to reload. Then the ads skill can be too increase mag size to increase the length of the strafe we can do. One suggestion for the av variants is you could have no magazines. Total ammo such that the total damage of proto max skills can kill a heavily tanked proto tank if most of the shots hit. Then you have to go to a supply depo to rearm. This also means the tank can dodge some of your fire then doesn't have to worry about you for a bit. (Don't make it so we can kill the tank in like 5 seconds though. At least 20 seconds of hovering to kill it so if there is any enemy av the tank will survive as the ads gets thrown off course by the av) Sounds very interesting, indeed. Huge DPS, very small clips, long reload times for tank hunting. Are you suggesting AV missile variants with no splash. I like it, but there won't be a rail anti infantry version, though, I don't see how that would fit. This is getting the creative juices flowing. Rail variant with a low charge time, low damage, high clip fully automatic. Different reticle, small amounts of splash. Like a long range blaster. Due to its nature it would be a hybrid of ai and aa except not excel at both (like missiles do). Just throwing it out there I'm neutral to all this. Sounds good if we can have variants on all of them. Yh I was suggesting the av Missile had little or no splash. as person above me said you could have ai rails. Basically you want all variants to have small mags with high damage per second and long reloads to promote hit and run and strafing. Ranges:rails> missile> blaster therefore dps: Blaster> Missile> rail. I would also suggest the time you can fire per mag: blaster > Missile> rail. However for this to be fair the draw distance should be increased for turret users if possible. Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 83	Posted - 2014.10.06 23:13:00 - [7] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Halla Murr wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: I see where you're coming from, but let's give an infantry example. What if sentinels want another role besides being shoehorning into point defense? Should we give them better speed and ewar so they can be good at that too? No, we would tell them to get a scout suit. The same applies here. If you want to kill infantry, bring out a Python. If you want to bust tanks, an incubus. If you want to transport squads, a grimsnes. The right tool for the right job. The same goes for vehicles. We should have a drop ship that specializes in transport. Another that specializes in infantry suppression. Another that specializes in vehicle hunting. Another that specializes in staying power. The right vehicle for the right role. This is why I want ADS to focus on attack. Leave scouting to scouts and transporting to transport DS. The assault drop ship should assault. You seem to be saying two different things: either that the ADS should be considered a role, like a Sentinel, Scout or Assault; or that each racial ADS should be considered a role. The former, perfectly legitimate; the latter most definitely not. The issue from reading your post is that you said the Incubus's role should be tankbuster while the Python should e infantry suppression: that's like saying a CalScout should be a sniper while a GalScout should be AV - both are and should be EWar platforms: both ADSs should be assault platforms (hence the name...) It's more like this: MinLogi focuses on keeping everyone repaired. CalLogi focuses on keeping everyone supplied with ammo, and some repair. GalLogi focuses on giving everyone intel. AmLogi focuses on keeping spawnpoints up and running. They all do logistics, but they all do it in different ways. Likewise, the ADS should assault, but the Python does it by suppressing infantry with missile fire, and the Incubus does it by keeping vehicles destroyed. Same job, different methods. Why don't you just add the turret variants which rattati seemed quite keen on, then both can do each others role, admittedly without the racial skill bonuses. Therefore it will be very similar to your logi example, as I can still equip and use a rep tool on my gal logi, but I won't be as efficient as the min logi. Same as I could still equip the av rail variant to my python but I won't get whatever the skill bonus is (rattati I suggest increasing ammo per mag so each burst/strafing run can last longer) Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter

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