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Halla Murr wrote:

Gabriel Ceja wrote:

With the nerf to the ADS rate of fire bonus to only 3% per level it has made going to level 5 a little pointless and has brought on complaints from the pilots who did have the skill at level 5 already
So now that there is only a small difference between level 5 rof and standard rof how about changing the rof bonus to a reloading bonus like maybe 5% per level

Not intending to offend, but that suggestion in no way helps the ADS perform strafing runs, which is something Rattati has said that ADSs should be doing. ROF is the bonus for that. A 6% bonus would be a very solid middle ground:

(PRO Turrets)
Missiles:
STD: ROF 50; 0.83 missiles/second; DPS (Splash) 297.91
3%: ROF 57.5; 0.958 missiles/second; DPS 342.6
6%: ROF 65; 1.083 missiles/second; DPS 387.29

Railguns:
STD: ROF 92; 1.53 shots/second; DPS 665.77
3%: ROF 105.8; 1.763 shots/second; DPS 765.6
6%: ROF 119.6; 1.993 shots/second; DPS 865.5

Blaster:
STD: ROF 1200; 20 shots/second; DPS 1144
3%: ROF 1380; 23 shots/second; DPS 1315.6
6%: ROF 1560; 26 shots/second; DPS 1487.2

This would actually be a somewhat meaningful increase.

An alternative suggestion would be to scrap the ROF bonus entirely and look at alternative methods of increase the effectiveness of an ADS. Here's an idea from earlier, based on the scout bonus:
3/5% fitting reduction/level for shield/armour hardeners.
3/4% bonus resistance/level to shield/armour hardeners.

What would this do:
- increase the resilience of an ADS during the uptime of a hardener;
- reduce total buffer tank by encouraging hardener fits;
- not increase the direct killing power of the small turrets;
- allow an ADS to maintain a short period of resilience under fire in which to insert/extract infantry or suppress/kill enemies before being forced to retreat on cool down.

Potential downside could potentially make triple hardener fits OP like 1.7, though could the skill include an inbuilt penalty to cool down for the same module? So the module gets +X resistance bonus but simultaneously gets a +Y% increase to cool down duration as the ADS 'strains the capacitor' or something?

Anyway, that's a sideways thought I figured would EB worth throwing out there.

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Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 60	Posted - 2014.09.28 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote With the nerf to the ADS rate of fire bonus to only 3% per level it has made going to level 5 a little pointless and has brought on complaints from the pilots who did have the skill at level 5 already So now that there is only a small difference between level 5 rof and standard rof how about changing the rof bonus to a reloading bonus like maybe 5% per level "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 60	Posted - 2014.09.29 01:14:00 - [2] - Quote Halla Murr wrote: Gabriel Ceja wrote: With the nerf to the ADS rate of fire bonus to only 3% per level it has made going to level 5 a little pointless and has brought on complaints from the pilots who did have the skill at level 5 already So now that there is only a small difference between level 5 rof and standard rof how about changing the rof bonus to a reloading bonus like maybe 5% per level Not intending to offend, but that suggestion in no way helps the ADS perform strafing runs, which is something Rattati has said that ADSs should be doing. ROF is *the* bonus for that. A 6% bonus would be a very solid middle ground: (PRO Turrets) Missiles: STD: ROF 50; 0.83 missiles/second; DPS (Splash) 297.91 3%: ROF 57.5; 0.958 missiles/second; DPS 342.6 6%: ROF 65; 1.083 missiles/second; DPS 387.29 Railguns: STD: ROF 92; 1.53 shots/second; DPS 665.77 3%: ROF 105.8; 1.763 shots/second; DPS 765.6 6%: ROF 119.6; 1.993 shots/second; DPS 865.5 Blaster: STD: ROF 1200; 20 shots/second; DPS 1144 3%: ROF 1380; 23 shots/second; DPS 1315.6 6%: ROF 1560; 26 shots/second; DPS 1487.2 This would actually be a somewhat meaningful increase. An alternative suggestion would be to scrap the ROF bonus entirely and look at alternative methods of increase the effectiveness of an ADS. Here's an idea from earlier, based on the scout bonus: 3/5% fitting reduction/level for shield/armour hardeners. 3/4% bonus resistance/level to shield/armour hardeners. What would this do: - increase the resilience of an ADS during the uptime of a hardener; - reduce total buffer tank by encouraging hardener fits; - not increase the direct killing power of the small turrets; - allow an ADS to maintain a short period of resilience under fire in which to insert/extract infantry or suppress/kill enemies before being forced to retreat on cool down. Potential downside could potentially make triple hardener fits OP like 1.7, though could the skill include an inbuilt penalty to cool down for the same module? So the module gets +X resistance bonus but simultaneously gets a +Y% increase to cool down duration as the ADS 'strains the capacitor' or something? Anyway, that's a sideways thought I figured would EB worth throwing out there. Don't worry no offense taken as you have made some valid points and feedback like this is how we help make progress. I do like that idea of the fitting reduction per level it would help out a lot since I have to use cpu/pg mod to fit 3 Proto turrets on my incubus or python "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"